[rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

[Kakel Mbumb]

Plutôt que de rester sur un aspect superficiel des choses, je propose que
l'on aille dans le vrai fond des choses. Y'a-t-il une mesure juridique qui
prévoit une réactivité formelle face à certaines postures ? Si on sent
qu'une politique est bonne ou pas, il est idéal de donner l'opportunité à
celui qui le défend ou pas de bien soutenir ses arguments.

C'est un domaine bien technique et qui requiert des personnes du domaine
bien rodées. De mon expérience des différentes sessions, j'ai constaté
qu'on ne prenait pas toujours assez de temps pour que les intervenants
explicitent clairement le pourquoi ou non dans leurs positionnements.

Alors réfléchissons sur comment cela peut être mis en œuvre et si les
propositions données restent dans un contexte approprié ou pas.


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> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:59:57 +0000

> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

> To: Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com>

> Cc: "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP

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> Salut Kakel,

>

> J'ignore par quelle organisme, tu as eu l'occasion de participer ? Tunis

> aux activit? de la communaut? d'AFRINIC, ?a n'a absolument pas

> d'importance. Et il n'y a pas d'acharnement contre une seule organisation,

> on a fait un constat amer de la proc"dure subversive utilis?e par une

> structure, qui semble ?tre en conflit d'int?r?t. C'est cela le probl?me si

> ?a ne te pause aucun probl?me c'est ton opinion et je la respect.

>

> Pour histoire je t'invite ? suivre le lien fourni qui renvoie ? un ancien

> mail, contenant les preuves qui nous ont inqui?t? dans le processus de

> s?lection de gestion et d'attribution des bourses de cette fondation. En

> effet dans le document de travail fournis aux boursiers il ?tait question

> de leur apprendre le processus de production, de discussion et de

> validation des politiques de gestion des ressources. Malheureusement dans

> ce document il est fait r?f?rences des propositions de politiques en cours

> de discussion dans la communaut? avec des informations fausses ou Tronqu?es

> concernant certaines politiques de les responsables de cette fondation

> combattaient, voies une objectivit? dans cette proc?dure ??? Il est dit au

> participants que telle politique est mauvaise parce qu'elle ne leur plait

> pas telle autre est bonne parce qu'elle les arrange, et on donne des

> scripts ? aller litre au micro aux boursiers qui ne comprennent m?me pas

> les enjeux et objectifs des politiques en discussion. Quand on leur pose

> des questions ils n'y r?pondent pas ou s'enfuient ou se f?chent, o? est

> 'l'objectivit? dans ?a. Et c'est ? cette pratique l? que nous attirons

> l'attention de la communaut?, ce n'est pas un acharnement c'est une

> insistance afin que les uns et les autres prennent conscience.

>

> Je ne suis absolument pas contre une attribution de bourses aux jeunes

> africains, mais je refuses qu'on ach?te leur conscience, m?me

> indirectement. Rien n'emp?che cette structure ? mettre ? la disposition

> d'Afrinic les fonds octroy?s pour ces bourses en indiquant leur

> pr?f?rences, ou sp?cifications s'ils cadrent avec les objectifs d'Afrinic,

> je ne vois pas Afrinic refuser cette offre. C'est tout ce qu'on demande.

>

> Cordialement.

>

> Arnaud

>

> Le mer. 19 f?vr. 2020 ? 06:00, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com> a ?crit

> :

>

> > Il est ? noter qu'ici nous voulons une forme de contribution inclusive

> des

> > diff?rents membres de communaut?s pour apporter un plus dans l'usage

> > d'internet en Afrique.

> >

> > Au del? de Larus ou d'Afrinic, il ya aussi d'autres organisations :

> > secteur priv?, Public, soci?t? civile, etc. Qui font participer des

> > boursiers ou leurs agents pour apporter des contributions.

> > Chacun est libre d'exprimer ses opinions et il est ? noter que personne

> > n'est forc?e d'accepter d'?tre accompagn? pour ce genre d'?v?nements.

> >

> > J'ai d?couvert AFRINIC en tant que boursier d'un autre programme qui

> > m'avait permis de me rendre en Tunisie. ?tant du domaine IT, Je ne

> > connaissais m?me pas le processus de politiques publiques, ni AFRINIC ;

> ce

> > fut donc une Nouvelle et je me suis dit qu'il fallait en faire b?n?ficier

> > plus de jeunes africains ? la table de discussions.

> >

> > Je suis rentr? dans mon pays et j'en ai parl? ? diff?rentes parties

> > prenantes. Nous avons de ce fait milit? ? avoir plus de participants

> > physiques quand bien m?me l'aspect de participation virtuelle n'est pas ?

> > ?laguer ; je pense qu'il y a une mani?re diff?rente de comprendre les

> > choses de pr?s ou de loin.

> >

> > Qu'on nous d?montre alors o? est le vrai probl?me quand une organisation

> > tel que Larus permet ? certains jeunes de prendre part ? ces assises en

> les

> > laissant libres ou non d'accepter.

> >

> > Listons avant tout toutes ces organisations qui font participer les

> > boursiers car on sent une forme d'acharnement sur une seule structure.

> > Quelqu'un nous a ici parl? de WACREN; savons-nous comment ils op?rent

> > aussi leur processus de s?lection ?

> >

> > Take it easy and let's stay objective....

> >

> >

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> >>    1. RE?:  Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Eva Nadege N'Cho)

> >>    2. RE?:  Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Eva Nadege N'Cho)

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> >> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:58:28 +0000

> >> From: Eva Nadege N'Cho <evayedidja at gmail.com>

> >> To: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>,  "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource

> >>         Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> Subject: [rpd] RE?:  Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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> >> Salut ? tous,

> >> Apr?s lecture des termes et conditions du programme de bourse Larus, je

> >> reste perplexe quant ? l?impartialit? de certains crit?res notamment

> ceux

> >> mentionn?s ? la ??Page 5??.

> >>

> >> Je ne voudrais pas m??taler sur ce point mais je pense que le fait

> >> d?avoir d?autres programmes de bourses pour participer aux r?unions de

> >> l?AFRINIC est louable mais si cela cr?e des suspicions dans la

> communaut?

> >> alors je trouve que la proposition de @Jordi est judicieuse.

> >>

> >> Les bourses offertes par AFRINIC?, LARUS ou toute autre organisme sont

> >> pour la communaut? alors je ne vois pas le mal ? cr?er un cadre de

> >> concertation sur les clauses des programmes de bourses.

> >> Je crois qu?au final c?est toujours la communaut? qui en sortira

> gagnante.

> >>

> >> Merci

> >>

> >> Eva Yedidja

> >>

> >> De?: Arnaud AMELINA

> >> Envoy? le?:dimanche 12 janvier 2020 12:25

> >> ??: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy

> >> Objet?:[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> >>

> >> Dear community,

> >>

> >> You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus? Foundation

> >> fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided to fellows as

> >> meeting background material(*) and which? intended to condition their

> views

> >> on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..

> >>

> >> ?https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html

> >>

> >> I came across the actual agreement? which defines the terms and

> >> conditions under which? the fellowship program work.

> >>

> >> The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:

> >>

> >> Page 1

> >> Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship program and

> >> payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow performance*

> >>

> >> Page 2

> >> Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not just

> >> sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions, responding

> to

> >> comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....

> >>

> >>

> >> Page 5

> >> Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus? foundation

> >> satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for the

> >> disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...

> >>

> >> Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of

> >> the stipend as the followings:

> >> First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other

> >> transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.

> >>

> >> The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the

> >> value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to

> fellow

> >> attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship terms and

> >> conditions? herein....

> >>

> >> Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to the

> >> parties

> >>

> >> At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively

> >> participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this

> terms

> >> and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.? In addition, Larus is

> >> entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front? by Larus and any

> >> cost associated to the collection of such compensation, including but

> not

> >> limited to court? costs, collection costs and attorney.

> >> =====

> >>

> >> The following questions come to mind:

> >>

> >> 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which is purely

> based?

> >> on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are the

> >> objectives set? for each policy meeting and how are the objectives

> aligned

> >> with the general community interest?

> >>

> >> 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions

> >> expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions? and do

> not

> >> represent fellow individual opinions??

> >>

> >> 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole discretion?

> >> What are the metrics and values used to determine the performance level?

> >>

> >> 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the fellow

> performance?

> >>

> >> Regards?

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> >> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 17:09:42 +0000

> >> From: Eva Nadege N'Cho <evayedidja at gmail.com>

> >> To: Jean-Robert Hountomey <jrhountomey at gmail.com>

> >> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> Subject: [rpd] RE?:  Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

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> >> +1 @Jean-Robert

> >>

> >>

> >> Eva Yedidja

> >>

> >> De?: Jean-Robert Hountomey

> >> Envoy? le?:mardi 18 f?vrier 2020 15:49

> >> ??: Daniel Yakmut

> >> Cc?: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List

> >> Objet?:Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> >>

> >> > I have observed that people have gradually been staying away from

> these

> >> meetings for lack of funding.

> >> > Consequently, if support ceases we are likely to have AfriNIC turn

> into

> >> a "Cabal", where only a privilege few that attend meeting determines

> what

> >> happens. This is dangerous and alienating.

> >>

> >> Organizing local communities and encouraging Remote participation could

> >> help. And AfriNIC meetings are recorded. (1).

> >>

> >> One could organise communities to attend AfriNIC Meetings remotely.

> RENs,

> >> Local ICT orgs, ISOC Chapters, informal gathering etc?? are good

> candidates

> >> for remote viewing and participation.?

> >>

> >> This can go as far as to invite past fellows, LIRs to get together

> >> locally, share their experience, expectations and discuss policies

> >> implications. One sees a greater impact.

> >>

> >> (1). https://www.youtube.com/user/AfriNICMedia/videos

> >>

> >> Jean-Robert Hountomey

> >>

> >>

> >> On Feb 18, 2020, at 4:13 AM, Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >> Hmm... Noah,

> >> Please do you have a foundation or source of support to bring new

> persons

> >> into the community during AfriNIC or AIS, because that will be

> wonderful.

> >> However, I have observed that people have gradually been staying away

> from

> >> these meetings for lack of funding.

> >> Aside the AfriNIC Fellowship and now Larus Foundation do we have other

> >> source of support to bring people to the meetings? I wouldn't want to

> >> instigate the community against a support that will make the community a

> >> robust and engaging one.

> >> Consequently, if support ceases we are likely to have AfriNIC turn into

> a

> >> "Cabal", where only a privilege few that attend meeting determines what

> >> happens. This is dangerous and alienating.

> >> I don't see where Larus Foundation is undermining AfriNIC. But, if we an

> >> island and self sufficient can we then ask that all external support

> stop

> >> and we do our things the way we want.

> >> my take,

> >> Daniel

> >> On 17/02/2020 8:49 pm, Noah wrote:

> >>

> >> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of

> time

> >> they public spend at the mic ?? ?

> >>

> >> No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions.

> >> However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through

> sessions,

> >> but actual active engagement in them.

> >>

> >>

> >> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks

> >> like ?open mic minutes for sell?

> >>

> >> I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible

> >> view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.

> >>

> >> We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.

> >>

> >>

> >> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the

> >> community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives. ?

> >>

> >> While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure

> >> you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this

> process

> >> is to

> >> encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best

> >> policies will evolve from the most engaged community.

> >>

> >>

> >> Pls note I?m reading from the response.? And not insinuating any motives

> >> but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks

> like

> >> a duck, then it probably is a duck.

> >>

> >> Please just say what you mean.

> >>

> >> Owen

> >>

> >> Owen,

> >>

> >> Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.

> >>

> >> You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create an engaged

> >> community for a better PDP??

> >>

> >> As you know, all the current active policies were discussed and ratified

> >> by this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation was never

> >> there when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past

> volunteers

> >> co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the

> >> years through rough consensus, they got all the active policies today

> >> ratified.

> >>

> >> I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.?

> >>

> >>

> >>

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