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[rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Wed Feb 19 04:05:52 UTC 2020
Hi Blaise,
Don’t think that only in Africa many people don’t know about AFRINIC, the meetings, the PDP, etc.
This is a common in all the RIRs. Many ISPs only see the relevant RIR as the “provider” of the IP addresses, not as an organization that is the community itself, and it is up to the community to setup the rules (PDP -> policies).
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 19/2/20 2:53, "Blaise Fyama" <bfyama at gmail.com> escribió:
This discussion is a true replica of a bald bal ... after the fourth day we see who is really who!
Beyond LARUS I would like us to also be told the conditions for the selection of African-African organizations. Are all African geopolitics taken into account, does popularization conform to standards? Or concerns only a privileged few connected to the "system"? Personally I am amazed that the overwhelming part of the African community does not know everything about AFRINIC I can give testimony of my own region where I am. An impartial and multi-criteria analysis on ALL fellowships systems for AFRINIC meetings would be more beneficial for the entire community. An Asian organization which offers scholarships to young Africans by its methods against African-African organizations which also offer scholarships according to their methods.
Anyway between Africans we know each other well!
Blaise.
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Le mar. 18 févr. 2020 à 16:11, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com> a écrit :
The general understanding I have is that more african youths and part of its population need to contribute on the use of internet and the way it changes people's lives. Different organizations are therefore welcomed to provide support or training whenever possible to bring awareness on the issue about internet use and regulations. And everyone is entitled to have its own internal management unless it goes against the general approbation as per Law.
>From my experience, I have a lot of Youths in my country who are in the IT sector but don't even know what is AFRINIC and how it contributes to the improvement of internet in Africa.
Sponsors are therefore contributing to make them aware of that and have the chance to take part to Policy meetings. People are not handcuffed to be obliged to have a certain stsnd and they are free to choose whether to abide by the rules or not.
My thought. !!
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 22:49:48 +0300
From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
>
> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time
> they public spend at the mic ??
>
>
> No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions.
> However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions,
> but actual active engagement in them.
>
> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks
> like ?open mic minutes for sell?
>
>
> I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible view.
> Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.
>
> We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.
>
> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the
> community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives.
>
>
> While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure
> you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process
> is to
> encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best
> policies will evolve from the most engaged community.
>
> Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not insinuating any motives
> but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like
> a duck, then it probably is a duck.
>
>
> Please just say what you mean.
>
> Owen
>
Owen,
Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.
You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create an engaged
community for a better PDP?
As you know, all the current active policies were discussed and ratified by
this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation was never there
when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past volunteers
co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the
years through rough consensus, they got all the active policies today
ratified.
I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.
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From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
To: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:49 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>
>
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> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020, 02:18 Owen DeLong, <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>
>
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time they public spend at the mic ??
>
> No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.
>
>> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?
>
> I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.
>
> We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.
>
>> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives.
>
> While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process is to
> encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged community.
>
>> Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
>
> Please just say what you mean.
>
> Owen
>
> Owen,
>
> Your continous support to these controversies amuses me a lot.
>
> You are rewarding people for time spent at the mic to create an engaged community for a better PDP?
>
> As you know, all the current active policies were discussed and ratified by this community over the past 20 years and Larus Foundation was never there when various proposals were drafted and deliberated, past volunteers co-chaired the PPM and managed working groups on this list and over the years through rough consensus, they got all the active policies today ratified.
>
> I am disgusted by this continued undermining of AfriNIC.
I am confused as to how bringing new blood into the process is ?undermining?.
New blood and new ideas are life for any organization or process which intends to continue for more than a very short period of time.
The board we have today is not the board we had when AfriNIC began. Is having a new board undermining the process?
The CEO we have today is not the CEO we had when AfriNIC began. Is having a new CEO undermining the process?
Many of the most vocal participants in the process today were not participants in the process when AfriNIC began. Are you saying that any voice which was not here at the beginning is ?undermining the process??
It is not the goal or intent of Larus foundation to undermine anything. We are, exactly as Daniel said, providing opportunities for more Africans to participate in the AfriNIC process.
Owen
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:40:25 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
To: Maloto Nyirenda <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw>
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That?s good feedback. I?ll look into making sure we try to document our selection criteria.
I will say that we do try to select individuals that we believe are likely to be valuable contributors to the community, primarily ICT students or those early in their ICT careers. We do not call for participants that are not likely to engage.
Owen
> On Feb 16, 2020, at 23:14 , Maloto Nyirenda <Maloto.Nyirenda at MTL.mw> wrote:
>
> I think it is highly significant that such fellows selected are able to contribute in such meetings through active contributions, however the terms of their selections are well outlined, otherwise there is no logic calling participants that are not likely to engage in such fellowships
>
> regards
> Maloto
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> From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com <mailto:yakmutd at googlemail.com>>
> To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>, Arnaud AMELINA
> <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>, AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
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> I suspect when we ask questions, and the questions are coming from a non
> bias perception, then I believe you will have received several
> responses. However, I will attempt to say that Larus Foundation's major
> objective can be surmised as "Providing opportunity, increasing access
> and exposing young Africans to the AfriNIC processes"
>
> - How they choose their Fellows is at there discretion.
>
> - How they evaluate the Fellows is also their business, however they may
> wish, to one day give us the result of their impact analysis. At that
> point we can appreciate Larus Foundation for giving young Africans an
> opportunity to contribute to the growth of the Internet Community in Africa.
>
> - I strongly support that Larus Foundation provides their Fellows with
> some stipend either as a blanket support or tied to some form of
> performance indicators, this should not be a subject of interest to
> anyone, since the person is not providing the funds.
>
> - Lastly, I have seen Larus Foundation becoming more open with their
> processes in the last two meetings, which gives any African the
> opportunity to apply for the fellow and possibly be selected to attend.
>
> Just my attempt to respond and remove the bizarre silence.
>
> Simply,
>
> Daniel
>
> On 14/02/2020 9:50 pm, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> >
> > It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no responses so
> > far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to
> > enlighten this community.
> >
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte <https://aka.ms/blhgte>>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM
> > *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > *Subject:* [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
> > Dear community,
> >
> > You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus? Foundation
> > fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided to fellows as
> > meeting background material(*) and which? intended to condition their
> > views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..
> >
> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>
> >
> > I came across the actual agreement? which defines the terms and
> > conditions under which? the fellowship program work.
> >
> > The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:
> >
> > Page 1
> > Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship program and
> > payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow performance*
> >
> > Page 2
> > Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not
> > just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions,
> > responding to comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....
> >
> >
> > Page 5
> > Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus? foundation
> > satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for
> > the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...
> >
> > Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of
> > the stipend as the followings:
> > First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other
> > transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.
> >
> > The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the
> > value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to
> > fellow attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship
> > terms and conditions? herein....
> >
> > Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to
> > the parties
> >
> > At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively
> > participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this
> > terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.? In addition,
> > Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front? by
> > Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such compensation,
> > including but not limited to court? costs, collection costs and attorney.
> > =====
> >
> > The following questions come to mind:
> >
> > 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which is purely
> > based? on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are
> > the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are the objectives
> > aligned with the general community interest?
> >
> > 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions
> > expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions? and
> > do not represent fellow individual opinions?
> >
> > 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole
> > discretion? What are the metrics and values used to determine the
> > performance level?
> >
> > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the fellow performance?
> >
> > Regards
> > __
> >
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> > On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com <mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time they public spend at the mic ??
>
> No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.
>
> > Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?
>
> I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.
>
> We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.
>
> > As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives.
>
> While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process is to
> encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged community.
>
> > Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
>
> Please just say what you mean.
>
> Owen
>
> >
> > ......just saying
> >
> > BN
> >
> >
> > Badru Ntege
> > Group CEO
> > NFTCONSULT
> > +256 772712088
> > Twt: ntegeb
> >
> > From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:00 AM
> > To: Arnaud AMELINA; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
> >
> > Dear Community,
> >
> > It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no responses so far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to enlighten this community.
> >
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte <https://aka.ms/blhgte>>
> > From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM
> > To: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
> >
> > Dear community,
> >
> > You may remember the recent discussions about Larus Foundation fellowship in respect to educational documents provided to fellows as meeting background material(*) and which intended to condition their views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..
> >
> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html> <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>>
> >
> > I came across the actual agreement which defines the terms and conditions under which the fellowship program work.
> >
> > The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:
> >
> > Page 1
> > Larus Foundation obligations to offer the fellowship program and payments are subject to terms and conditions and *fellow performance*
> >
> > Page 2
> > Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions, responding to comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....
> >
> >
> > Page 5
> > Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus foundation satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...
> >
> > Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of the stipend as the followings:
> > First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other transportation costs for the meeting paid up front by Larus.
> >
> > The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to fellow attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship terms and conditions herein....
> >
> > Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to the parties
> >
> > At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered. In addition, Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front by Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such compensation, including but not limited to court costs, collection costs and attorney.
> > =====
> >
> > The following questions come to mind:
> >
> > 1- From the educational material given to fellows which is purely based on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are the objectives aligned with the general community interest?
> >
> > 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions expressed by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions and do not represent fellow individual opinions?
> >
> > 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole discretion? What are the metrics and values used to determine the performance level?
> >
> > 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied based on the fellow performance?
> >
> > Regards
> > __
> > _______________________________________________
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