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[rpd] [pdwg] Time to fix broken things in PDP

Arnaud AMELINA amelnaud at
Thu Dec 19 13:23:25 UTC 2019

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message, "dear Community and PDWG ".
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Le mer. 18 déc. 2019 à 13:09, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <
oloyede.aa at> a écrit :

> Dear Arnuad and Alain,


> We decided to address this repose to both of you because the piece was

> written by Alain and posted on the PDWG by Arnuad who happen to be a

> disciple of the later.


> We first read the write up some few days ago and we decided not to

> respond initially because Alain is someone we have so much respect for and

> we felt we should spend our time in a more productive way. Secondly, in the

> African setting, we need to respect elders and sometimes even when they go

> wrong without causing too much damage, we tend to forgive them and just

> move on by keeping silent. This is because the younger ones sometimes have

> to tolerate the elders just the way a good mother tolerate her baby.

> However, after reflecting on this for some days and because it is now

> posted on the PDWG mailing by a “foot soldiers” hence, we decided to

> respond showing as much respect as we can.


> Firstly, we congratulate Mr Aina on his IETF trip and the Postel award.

> The ward comes at a time you need to start thinking of leaving a good

> legacy behind by encouraging younger ones to grow while teaching them some

> of the good qualities that would help them to win a similar award in future

> not just because they want diversity and give the award to an African but

> because the Africa man deserves the award. We also hope Mr Aina as an elder

> in this community would spend his time inspiring younger Africans to be

> involved in IETF that is currently dominated by older white men rather than

> this frivolous and untrue allegations just because he can’t get over the

> fact that young and vibrate individuals are now seeking to save the soul of

> AFRINIC while preventing it from being dominated by selfish individuals.


> We do not know how the elder statesman who was just awarded what should

> be a prestigious award concluded that many participants did not read the

> proposals however we leave that as the level of engagement was glaring

> during the meetings. The level of participation at the meeting is something

> Mr Aina should be proud off if indeed he means well for this community.

> However, saying we (co-chairs) dined the floor unjustly to people is not

> only false but a reckless and mischievous statement that we do not expect

> from him. Do you expect that we allow everyone to talk as much as they want

> so that we can spend a year at the meeting? Mr Alain, with your experience

> from AFRINIC 1 in this community, we expect you to support us in making the

> community better not try to intimidate or harass us with a writeup full of

> falsehood. We should have spent this time preparing the minutes of the

> meeting rather we are spending productive time responding to your

> imaginations. The fiction you wrote is just a distraction.


> Again, please go and listen to the recordings, No one said the problem

> statement was meaningless. what was said is that the problem statement does

> not go into the CPM hence, it would not stop a proposal from going into the

> last call. AK was only seeking that clarification when discussions were

> about the problem statement while the community agree with the policy

> change itself but some objected to the problem statement. The reason for

> this is clear if objections are being raised about the problem statement

> then it can always be sorted out during the last call and clearly if it

> does not go into the CPM then we need to spend the limited time at the F2F

> meeting on what goes into the CPM and not the faulty problem statement.

> What response from the audience were you making reference too here “*The

> audience responded appropriate. I assume the lesson has been learnt by the

> author and the co-chairs*.” We hope you were not mixing up the policy

> meeting sessions with your “Johnathan B Postel Award” session.


> You made what we termed as a reckless allegation again “ *a participant

> raised the fact that based on some real intelligence there was a meeting

> held by the co-chairs with a selected set of the community to prepare on

> how to handle the meeting*” The allegation is not only false so is your

> account of what happened. The respected man who spoke at the mic said some

> people had a practice session the previous day but he never mentioned the

> fact that the co-chairs were in any way involved. He never also gave us any

> evidence or reason to investigate the allegation further. Come to think of

> it, if the allegation (as made during the session not your own account of

> it) is true, it should be something to be proud off as it shows the level

> of commitment and dedication by volunteers who are putting efforts into

> participating in the policy development process of AFRINIC. It is clear in

> your own account of events that you are trying to manipulate events. How is

> it possible for us as co-chairs to prevent people or groups meeting to

> discuss the policies, is this against the CPM are you saying you never

> discussed the policies with anyone outside the room? If anything against

> the PDP occurred we would be happy to investigate and sanction as

> appropriate. Please give us a chance.


> We want to categorically say that we never had a practice session with a “*section

> of the community*”. The practice session we had was between us

> (co-chairs) and relevant AFRINIC staff. We had about two practise sessions

> to get us familiar with how to handle the meetings and to be able to manage

> the limited time well. We never discussed the policies in detail except for

> the agenda and how to make sure the sessions are not boring or allowing the

> individual with most policy speak all day without having some rest in

> between. We never discussed what should be the outcome of any policy as it

> was clear to all that the outcome depends on the community discussion on

> the mailing list and during the F2F meeting and we believe the practice

> session was in the best interest of the community and we thank the new CEO

> and AFRINIC staff for this initiative. This is clearly a good way to build

> capacity within the community.


> Co-chairs are part of the community and we believe anyone from the

> community can come and talk/approach us or we can approach any member for

> advice and comments either in public or in private to guide our thought.

> This has no influence whatsoever on our decision-making process and we have

> tried to do this with elders and the younger generation in the community

> including yourself despite your hostility towards us on a number of

> occasions. We take decisions only based on what the community says to us

> both at the meeting and on the mailing list. Furthermore, the role of an

> elder (and in extension the co-chairs) within a community is to try and

> bring people together. If you have 2-3 proposals on the table trying to

> solve the same problem an elder should try and bring them together hence we

> are disappointed that someone who won the Postel award meant for someone

> who has made an outstanding contributions in service to the data

> communications community would say “*chairs attempted to convince the

> authors of the first two proposals discussed to merge... The exercise

> turned to a public disaster and showed that the prior meeting among the

> authors did not help*”. Let us be categorical, we can and ready to defend

> all our actions, inactions and decisions during the meeting as they were

> done in the best interest of the community. We sent out emails to all

> authors on the transfer policies before the meeting asking authors to try

> and consolidate their proposal into one. Two groups of authors met, and

> they told us before the meeting that they reached some level of agreement

> and that your group refused to meet them, and we felt the best thing was to

> ask them how far they have gone during the meeting so that it would be an

> open process. What is wrong with this for Gods sake?


> Finally, please try and encourage the younger ones to grow and as an elder

> please spend your time mentoring younger ones and so not behave like

> typical African leaders who never want to retire rather, they want to

> dominate the scene forever. This is one of the major problems we face as

> Africans. When and If younger ones go wrong (no one is always right) please

> call them privately and advise them. According to a popular African

> saying “An elder cannot be in the market and a child‟s head will be

> allowed to droop”.


> Thank you


> NB: Generally speaking now: We need to make it clear to everyone in doubt

> that we both decided to contest elections in Kampala because we want to

> bring this community together while being directed by the community on the

> policies, we would continue to do our best for this community and ignore

> some of these side comments that we often get on the mailing list

> especially when they are coming from drowning individuals. We have ignored

> such comments in the past to avoid distractions. A word is enough for the

> wise.



> PDWG Co-Chairs


> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 4:49 PM Arnaud AMELINA via pdwg <pdwg at>

> wrote:


>> Hi Community and PDWG,


>> It is time to come back to the story of Afrinic and understand what is

>> now happening to policy development in our region. Let us prepare our

>> future by fixing what we have found broken in Afrinic PDP. Here is a good

>> brief of the situation in a blog written by someone who attended Afrinic-1

>> [a]. It clearly shows that things are not going well with PDP in our

>> organization and need to be fixed....



>> [a]


>> Regards


>> --

>> Arnaud

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