[rpd] new version of "Multihoming not required for ASN"(AFPUB-2019-ASN-DRAFT04)

[Sami Salih]

Hi Jordi

I like this version of the proposal despite that some editorials are required.
I would like to draw your attention to the impacts of this proposal on the AFRINIC Membership fees.
https://afrinic.net/membership/cost#resource

I believe both section 4 and Section 6 should be revisit as it's not considering multiple ASNs for LIR and EU. Maybe such alignment will be made during staff analysis buts it's better to have it in mind earlier.

Regards.


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If there is an editorial interpretation problem, we can adjust it, this is not an issue, because in the justification is clear also the intent.



Hopefully the staff can say something about it :-)



Regards,

Jordi

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El 25/11/19 17:12, "Fernando Frediani" <fhfrediani at gmail.com<mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> escribió:



Right Jordi, I also see on that way. But the most important is that staff also understands the same way the technical justifications for organizations to receive an ASN whenever they feel like becoming an Autonomous Systems even if they have a single upstream. It is good for them and it is good for the RIR as well.

Best regards
Fernando Frediani

On 25/11/2019 12:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

Hi Fernando,



I think they read the same, as explained by Owen. I asked him about that when he proposed that text and I thought about that many times.



I think it is clear that if you have a single upstream provider and ask you for a public ASN, it is a technical requirement for *that connection*.



The “or” with the rest of the sentence mean that “both” are choices.



Note that was the main motivation to have this policy change (single upstream, no other peerings).



Regards,

Jordi

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El 25/11/19 16:44, "Fernando Frediani" <fhfrediani at gmail.com<mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> escribió:



Hello Jordi

The change you made on 7.2.2 from "Single interconnection, with a provider that requires a public" to "Show a unique routing policy or demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique" means different things in my view and may make things slightly more difficult for organizations to receive an ASN.

When it says "show a unique routing policy" doesn't necessarily mean two Transit providers  (it could be an IX, a private peering to another ASN, etc), but excludes the possibility to have an ASN with a single Transit Upstream. On the second part that says "demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique ASN" what kind of technical need could for example be acceptable to justify to have an ASN with a single Transit Upstream provider (have their own assigned IP space ?) ?
My concern is not to exclude de possibility for organizations to have an ASN even if they have a single interconnection with their Transit Upstream.

Could you clarify this please ?

Thanks
Fernando Frediani

On 25/11/2019 08:45, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

Hi all,



Find attached a new version of the proposal "Multihoming not required for ASN", following the latest inputs in the list.



I've also prepared an online diff of the changes to the proposed policy text, so it is easy to track:



https://www.diffchecker.com/omm6xj7m





Regards,

Jordi

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To: rpd at afrinic.net <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] new version of "Multihoming not required for ASN"(AFPUB-2019-ASN-DRAFT04)


If there is an editorial interpretation problem, we can adjust it, this is not an issue, because in the justification is clear also the intent.



Hopefully the staff can say something about it :-)



Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet







El 25/11/19 17:12, "Fernando Frediani" <fhfrediani at gmail.com<mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> escribió:



Right Jordi, I also see on that way. But the most important is that staff also understands the same way the technical justifications for organizations to receive an ASN whenever they feel like becoming an Autonomous Systems even if they have a single upstream. It is good for them and it is good for the RIR as well.

Best regards
Fernando Frediani

On 25/11/2019 12:56, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

Hi Fernando,



I think they read the same, as explained by Owen. I asked him about that when he proposed that text and I thought about that many times.



I think it is clear that if you have a single upstream provider and ask you for a public ASN, it is a technical requirement for *that connection*.



The “or” with the rest of the sentence mean that “both” are choices.



Note that was the main motivation to have this policy change (single upstream, no other peerings).



Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet







El 25/11/19 16:44, "Fernando Frediani" <fhfrediani at gmail.com<mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> escribió:



Hello Jordi

The change you made on 7.2.2 from "Single interconnection, with a provider that requires a public" to "Show a unique routing policy or demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique" means different things in my view and may make things slightly more difficult for organizations to receive an ASN.

When it says "show a unique routing policy" doesn't necessarily mean two Transit providers  (it could be an IX, a private peering to another ASN, etc), but excludes the possibility to have an ASN with a single Transit Upstream. On the second part that says "demonstrate a technical need for a coordinated globally unique ASN" what kind of technical need could for example be acceptable to justify to have an ASN with a single Transit Upstream provider (have their own assigned IP space ?) ?
My concern is not to exclude de possibility for organizations to have an ASN even if they have a single interconnection with their Transit Upstream.

Could you clarify this please ?

Thanks
Fernando Frediani

On 25/11/2019 08:45, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:

Hi all,



Find attached a new version of the proposal "Multihoming not required for ASN", following the latest inputs in the list.



I've also prepared an online diff of the changes to the proposed policy text, so it is easy to track:



https://www.diffchecker.com/omm6xj7m





Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet











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