[rpd] 1st PDWG Webinar (REMINDER AND MEETING LINK)

[Komi Elitcha]

Not being native English speaker is not sufficient reason to be disrespectful or rude to another working group member , simply because they have a different opinion from  what  you call "majority opinion”.

Your message was simple and clear enough.

If we really do have a language problem, then  we better discuss and agree on why and how to introduce the Webinars in order  to avoid unproductive discussions and  unnecessary  tension. Someone raised the issue of language for the webinars and we did not give it the appropriate attention .


- Komi


> On Sep 25, 2019, at 14:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:

> 

> Hi Arnaud,

>  

> Well, clearly, we have a language understanding problem (none of us is native English, so the devil may be in the details), but reading all the thread and your email it looks like several folks are saying that this webinar was not good and should have not organized in the way the chairs/staff decided to do.

>  

> I still think that adding “anything” to the PDP (not being part of the consensus process, and thus not against the PDP itself), to disseminate policy proposal, and provide other discussion forums, is just fine.

>  

> Regards,

> Jordi

> 

> @jordipalet

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> El 25/9/19 16:26, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>> escribió:

>  

> Hi Jordi

>  

> I am surprised  by the tone and content of your mail. I don't think this is language for our policy development  forum.

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> Anyways, can people show me  where I said I am against the idea of webinar? 

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> I thought, i made suggestions for what I think could be a better approach.

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> Thanks 

>  

> Arnaud 

>  

> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 14:13 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:

>> This is a no-sense.

>>  

>> The webinar is not a modification of the PDP, in fact is not related to the PDP.

>>  

>> Is just one more way for authors and community to get in touch and have more time for open discussions and clarifications. Some times emails is not sufficient, or people is afraid to use email or even ask questions at the meeting.

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>> The webinar is not a way to determine consensus: that will require a modification of the PDP.

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>> Whatever efforts can be done for community to get more and more involved in the Policy Development, need to be welcome in good faith by all community members, I’m really surprised anyone can be against that (I would consider that bad faith). It will be like “authors of proposals can ONLY discuss and present proposals in the mailing list and the meeting, otherwise they are doing a criminal action”.

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>> Regards,

>> Jordi

>> 

>> @jordipalet

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>> El 25/9/19 14:35, "Arnaud AMELINA" <amelnaud at gmail.com <mailto:amelnaud at gmail.com>> escribió:

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>> +1 Caleb, 

>>  

>> The introduction of a new mechanism in our policy development process, that is, the organization of Webinar to discuss policy could have been good to look at as a working group to see the merits and the demerits of its use and if adopted, we will all abide by it. 

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>> In all case we shall be careful to not temper unnecessarily with the process and introduce  risks of contentions. 

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>> In the meantime, why not organize webinars on Afrinic mission and mandate, important corporate documents (RSA.... ), existing  policies, the CPM, the PDP itself and how to participate...

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>> People need the fundamentals to be able to understand and make their opinions on proposals. They would have  had all the benchmarks  to "decrypt" messages and participate more on the RPD  list and during PPM.

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>> Regards 

>>  

>> Arnaud 

>>  

>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 14:45 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>> wrote:

>>> Dear Abdulkarim,

>>>  

>>> Many thanks for the initiative on this webinar.

>>>  

>>> Despite that, I will like to mention that there was no wider consultation on the scheduling which is what I know as a bottom approach. (Maybe that was done and I did not get the mail, you may wish to point me or the community to that email)

>>>  

>>> Firstly, time and schedules are not imposed on a voluntary service-oriented community. There is an expectation that we respect people's time to get better participation.

>>> Secondly, time zone differences of the community members were not put into consideration. 

>>>  

>>> My general suggestion for improvement of the processes is that you set up a doodle poll with different time considerations for members to select based on their convenience/preference. Thereafter, you send a Google Calendar invite for members to note it in their personal calendar.

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>>> Warm regards.

>>>  

>>> Caleb Ogundele

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>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:05 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:

>>>> Dear all, 

>>>>  

>>>> This is to remind us all of the webinars at 17:00 UTC  today. We hope that the webinar would help us understand some of the policy better. It is also our hope that this would help increase participation in the Policy process of AFRINIC. Please, We look forward to welcoming you. Below is the link for the meeting: 

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>>>>> 

>>>>> Topic: AFRINIC PDWG Webinar

>>>>> Time: Sep 24, 2019, 05:00 PM Universal Time UTC

>>>>> 

>>>>> Join Zoom Meeting

>>>>> https://zoom.us/j/478050502 <https://zoom.us/j/478050502>

>>>>> 

>>>>> One tap mobile

>>>>> +16465588656,,478050502# US (New York)

>>>>> +16699006833,,478050502# US (San Jose)

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> Meeting ID: 478 050 502

>>>>> Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/ad3HlzkMrf <https://zoom.us/u/ad3HlzkMrf>

>>>>>  

>>>>>  

>>>>> Best Regards

>>>>> Co-Chair

>>>> 

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>>>> On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 11:17 PM ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:

>>>>> Dear all,

>>>>> Thank you for the great feedback. We hope to see lots of us joining the webinar. 

>>>>> Unfortunately, we would not be able to provide translation service durring the first webinar. However, we would try our best to request for this service subsequently.

>>>>> Thank you for your understanding.

>>>>>  

>>>>> Abdulkarim

>>>>> Co-Chair

>>>>>  

>>>>> On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 07:47 Sami Salih, <sami.salih at outlook.com <mailto:sami.salih at outlook.com>> wrote:

>>>>>>  

>>>>>> Dear Co-chairs

>>>>>>  

>>>>>> Its really great to see that  you are organizing such activity, I hope this webinars will contribute to have a better understanding of the proposed policies in our region. I will take this opportunity to encourage authors to arrange to have a slot in this session or in the forthcoming series.

>>>>>> I also recommend to not have more than TWO proposals per session and then utilize our rpd to follow-up and summaries the discussion.

>>>>>>  

>>>>>> Regards,

>>>>>>  

>>>>>> Dr. Sami H.O. Salih

>>>>>> Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST

>>>>>> Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN

>>>>>> President of SDv6TF

>>>>>> T/F: (249)122045707/187171355

>>>>>> From: Eva Yedidja <evayedidja at gmail.com <mailto:evayedidja at gmail.com>>

>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:16 AM

>>>>>> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>; rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rpd] 1st PDWG Webinar

>>>>>>  

>>>>>> Hi All,

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Great idea !

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Thanks Abdulkarim

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>  

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Eva Yedidja

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>>>>>>  

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>>>>>> De : ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>

>>>>>> Envoyé le :mardi 17 septembre 2019 09:22

>>>>>> À : rpd List <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>

>>>>>> Objet :[rpd] 1st PDWG Webinar

>>>>>> 

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>>>>>> Dear PDWG,

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Greetings to you all from the wonderful city of Ilorin.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> As a way of improving the AFRINIC Policy Development Process, we the WG Co-chairs have decided to organise webinars where authors of proposed policies can come and talk about their proposal to the community especially to those present in the webinar.  We shall not be seeking any form of consensus during these webinars but rather a better understanding of those proposals.

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>>>>>> Webinars are open to any interested individual from any part of the world.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> In view of the above, we have decided to hold the 1st of the webinar series on Tuesday 24th September at 17:00- 18:00 UTC. 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Authors who intend to present during this webinar should please send an email to pdwg at afrinic.net <mailto:pdwg at afrinic.net> to signify their interest on or before 12:00 UTC on 22nd Sept 2019

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> I hope we would take time out of our busy schedule to attend this webinar.   Details on how to join the webinar shall be communicated as soon as possible.

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Thank You

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Co-Chairs

>>>>>> PDWG  

>>>>>> 

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>>>>>> Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/>, Weekly Bulletin <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin> UGPortal <http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/> PGPortal <https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/>

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>>>> Dr. Abdulkarim A.Oloyede. B. Eng (BUK), M.Sc (York), PhD (York), R.Eng, A+

>>>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Telecommunications Science, University of Ilorin, Nigeria

>>>> Vice Chairman, Telecommunications  Development Advisory Group (TDAG), International Telecommunication Union (ITU).

>>>> Alternative Emails: olouss at yahoo.com <mailto:olouss at yahoo.com>  OR  aao500 at york.ac.uk <mailto:aao500 at york.ac.uk>

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