[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

[Owen DeLong]

Souad,

My apologies for the typo on your name. It was accidental from a cellphone keyboard. No slight was intended.

Owen



> On Jul 15, 2019, at 10:02, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> 

> Sounad, 

> 

> In my experience, only AfriNIC and LACNIC ever really had much serious concern over that issue in considering inter-RIR transfer policies. Clearly LACNIC has finally come to the conclusion that it is less of a concern than being isolated from being able to import addresses as they have passed a bidirectional transfer policy. 

> 

> AfriNIC is now the lone holdout from the rest of the world on this issue. AfriNIC has very little space (relatively speaking) to offer even if every AfriNIC resource holder were to sell their entire holdings out of region (very unlikely). 

> 

> Personally, I can’t see any motivation for the other regions to accept such an idea. Can you?

> 

> Owen

> 

> 

>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 09:30, SOUAD ABIDI <fs_abidi at esi.dz> wrote:

>> 

>> Gregoire,

>> 

>> If you define the benefit is money or power, I already said it, Afrinic takes no money and makes no approval, so the answer is nothing, its role will be to supervise the contract and that everything works well. 

>> For the region, members can lease the extra block they have and make money behind, so we will avoid the undertable transfer. 

>> 

>> The question is as Jordi said, will we be able to convince other RIRs to adopt this policy to ensure the bidirectional transfer? I think each region is interested that its resources stay for its members and don't run out from the region from one hand , and benefit from other regions'  resources  from another hand , to balance between the two ,IPv4  leasing  is an option to consider ! 

>> 

>> Regards.

>> Souad

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>>> Le sam. 13 juil. 2019 à 19:29, Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr> a écrit :

>>> Souad,

>>> 

>>> You did not reply to my question. 

>>> 

>>> Again, how does this leasing benefit AfriNIC or our region?

>>> 

>>> --Gregoire

>>> 

>>> ------ Original message------

>>> From: SOUAD ABIDI

>>> Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2019 5:19 AM

>>> To: Gregoire Ehoumi;

>>> Cc: AfriNIC List;

>>> Subject:Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

>>> 

>>> Jordi,

>>> I guess ,when it will no IPv4 remain in other regions(which is soon the case) ,nobody will negociate the conditions of  the pool's owner (Africa).

>>> 

>>> Gregoire,

>>> 

>>> If we notice that our resources run out from the region after the transfer , we can bring them back to Africa (afriNIC will not accept the renewal of the contract between the seller and the buyer).

>>> 

>>> Regards,

>>> Souad 

>>> 

>>> Le ven. 12 juil. 2019 ?? 20:37, Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr> a ??crit :

>>>> Hi Souad,

>>>> 

>>>> How will this type of contract benefit AfriNIC and our region?

>>>> 

>>>> --Gregoire

>>>> 

>>>> ------ Original message------

>>>> From: SOUAD ABIDI

>>>> Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2019 6:50 AM

>>>> To: AfriNIC List;

>>>> Cc:

>>>> Subject:[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals

>>>> 

>>>> Hello, 

>>>> 

>>>> As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control motioned in the policy - As some people argue.

>>>> Here what I suggest : 

>>>> 

>>>> ??         Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and the buyer up to 5  years with a possibility to renew it and AfriNIC  will be the 3rd part of the          deal .

>>>> 

>>>> ??         AfriNIC takes no money  and  makes no  approval.  

>>>> 

>>>> ??         The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.

>>>> 

>>>> ??         The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts (afriNIC-seller-buyer)

>>>> 

>>>> So buy adopting  this approach and  if we notice that our resources are running out from our region, we can decide to bring them back and the companies do not renew the contract with .  

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> Best regards.

>>>> 

>>>> Souad

>>>> 

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