[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 154, Issue 40

[Precious Paul]

Dear community,

These issues of LARUS FOUNDATION telling there fellow what to do, I will
say it's not true.
Reasons been that I happened to be one of the fellows, I know about AFRINIC
today is through LARUS FOUNDATION. That I'm able to understand the policy
discussion today was by the help of the education package give by LARUS.

So i will say LARUS FOUNDATION is out to help the youth of African
countries to be a part of the policy making, and the foundation is meant to
have a relationship with their fellows ( Should in case anything happens to
anyone it's there responsibility to know).

The foundation should be encouraged not falsely accused

@afia,
 The foundation never told us what to say or do, because we all have a mind
of our own and are equal educated and also understands what the society
needs for a better future.

Thanks

Precious

On Jul 3, 2019 8:57 PM, "afia faith" <faithafia at gmail.com> wrote:


> Taiwo,

> Yes all the fellows are members of the RPD mailists so they knew what

> happened during PDP day. Yes we do 'discuss' policies within Afrinic

> Fellowship program but no we do not tell fellows what to say, they are in

> charge of their own opinion. Sorry,my name is Afi and i was the returning

> fellow for AFRINIC30.

> Thank you.

>

> Best,

> Afi Edoh

> Systems & Network Engineer/UN IGF MAG Member

> AFRINIC-27 l AfriSIG 2018 l AU-CIEFFA AMBASSADOR

> Mobile: (+228)91760238/ (+233) 540837065-WhatSapp

> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/afiedoh/> l Skype:afia.faith l

> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/afia.edo>  l  Twitter

> <https://twitter.com/afiafaith>   l Website

> <http://www.afrotribune.com>

>

> *we live once so live right*

>

>

> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:19 PM <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

>

>> Send RPD mailing list submissions to

>>         rpd at afrinic.net

>>

>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

>>         https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to

>>         rpd-request at afrinic.net

>>

>> You can reach the person managing the list at

>>         rpd-owner at afrinic.net

>>

>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific

>> than "Re: Contents of RPD digest..."

>>

>>

>> Today's Topics:

>>

>>    1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>>       (hkariuki at isoc.or.ke)

>>    2. Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>>       (Taiwo Oyewande)

>>

>>

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> Message: 1

>> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:35:00 +0300

>> From: hkariuki at isoc.or.ke

>> To: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>

>> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net, rpd at afrinic.net

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>> Message-ID: <20ca2157fc00c35bb07dec20cc4408fd at isoc.or.ke>

>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

>>

>> Taiwo,

>> I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in

>> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that

>> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We

>> also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and

>> onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue

>> learning and contributing to policy discussions.

>> Regards,

>> Hellen

>>

>>

>> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:

>> > Hi all,

>> >

>> > Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the

>> > policies to be discussed.

>> >

>> > Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students

>> > included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new

>> > members who are fresh in the policy development process.

>> >

>> > On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the

>> > foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every

>> > meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.

>> >

>> > Cheers.

>> >

>> > Taiwo O

>> >

>> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston

>> >> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> Wafa,

>> >>>

>> >>> So ? let me say this.  I see a document here ? which lays out

>> >>> the policies ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also

>> >>> lists the pros and cons.  Yes, Lazarus may have used the

>> >>> foundation to lobby for its position, but ? one of the things

>> >>> that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you believe in

>> >>> something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the

>> >>> summary that I see in this document ? is something that by and

>> >>> large ? should have been done long before they got around to it.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am

>> >>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position.  I am also

>> >>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting ?

>> >>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I

>> >>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that?s life ? but

>> >>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of

>> >>> internet policy development.  Do you think that similar does not

>> >>> happen elsewhere?  People lobby for the positions that they care

>> >>> about.  It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we

>> >>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.

>> >>>

>> >>> Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening

>> >>> before ? and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF

>> >>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL

>> >>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___

>> >>>

>> >>> Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money

>> >>> filling the room with people ? and that statement does not say

>> >>> ? is of benefit to Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to

>> >>> the African continent ? it does not say is to the benefit of the

>> >>> continent ? it singles out a single demographic on the continent

>> >>> and says ? we do what we do for their benefit.   Now, let me be

>> >>> very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m actually ok with it

>> >>> ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ? however, we

>> >>> cannot say ? because it?s a government political organization

>> >>> ? it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation

>> >>> ? and sponsor people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the

>> >>> positions that member is passionate about ? suddenly its wrong.

>> >>> That is called hypocrisy.

>> >>>

>> >>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with

>> >>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and

>> >>> sit down ? and the same happened in Botswana.  Except, what I

>> >>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the

>> >>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,

>> >>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn?t

>> >>> understand the position they were taking themselves.  So who was

>> >>> behind that?  And all of that ? is on video for the world to see

>> >>> ? but ? it was ok then ? suddenly it changes now because we

>> >>> don?t like the individual doing it?

>> >>>

>> >>> Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear

>> >>> ? Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I

>> >>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front

>> >>> of others who will testify to what I said to him ? however ? I

>> >>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is

>> >>> essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his

>> >>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on

>> >>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say.  In the same

>> >>> way ? I respect the right of any member to do that ? and I

>> >>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if

>> >>> they do not agree with it.    It is through this lobbying position

>> >>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great

>> >>> policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it

>> >>> through the silencing of the rights of others.

>> >>>

>> >>> My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their

>> >>> say ? so be it ? that is bottom up.  If people want to lobby

>> >>> their positions ? so be it ? that is bottom up.  If people

>> >>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for

>> >>> all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of the democratic

>> >>> position.  If people want to bus a thousand people who share their

>> >>> views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process.

>> >>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ?

>> >>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself.  What I see here

>> >>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on

>> >>> the *CONTENT* of the policy ? unlike what I have seen time and

>> >>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to

>> >>> do with the content or the policy.

>> >>>

>> >>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite

>> >>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu

>> >>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the

>> >>> comprehensive work ? and I applaud them for taking a stance that

>> >>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for

>> >>> their position in any way shape or form.  That is not to say I

>> >>> agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will reserve

>> >>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own

>> >>> interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at

>> >>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal

>> >>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.

>> >>>

>> >>> So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact

>> >>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left

>> >>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.

>> >>>

>> >>> Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ?

>> >>> and

>> >>>

>> >>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_

>> >>>

>> >>> Thanks

>> >>>

>> >>> Andrew

>> >>>

>> >>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>

>> >>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30

>> >>> TO: community-discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>> CC: rpd at afrinic.net

>> >>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>> >>>

>> >>> Hi

>> >>>

>> >>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus

>> >>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in

>> >>> Kampala, were given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC

>> >>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:

>> >>>

>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation

>> >>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG

>> >>> participants interventions on the proposals.

>> >>>

>> >>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these

>> >>> participants views on the proposals  and their contributions at

>> >>> the PPM and after....

>> >>>

>> >>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual

>> >>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to

>> >>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions

>> >>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of

>> >>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.

>> >>> Lack of disagreement is more important  than of agreement.  Also

>> >>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.

>> >>>

>> >>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough

>> >>> consensus  process.

>> >>>

>> >>> Section 6

>> >>>

>> >>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough

>> >>> consensus.

>> >>>

>> >>> Section 7

>> >>>

>> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be

>> >>> rough consensus

>> >>>

>> >>> My African fellows,

>> >>>

>> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process

>> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was

>> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand

>> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs...  I hope you?ve made

>> >>> your minds and  now able to speak on your personal  capacity..

>> >>>

>> >>> The real education package  is as below:

>> >>>

>> >>> =====

>> >>>

>> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>

>> > http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/

>> ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC constitution

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws

>> >>>

>> >>> Registration Service  Agreement

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC policy manual

>> >>>

>> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC PDP

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy

>> >>>

>> >>> Rough Consensus

>> >>>

>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

>> >>>

>> >>> RiRs PDPs

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/

>> >>>

>> >>> RIR comparative  policy overview

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> ==============

>> >>>

>> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.

>> >>>

>> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans.

>> >>>

>> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,

>> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of

>> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I

>> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.

>> >>>

>> >>> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of

>> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid

>> >>> intentions...  the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must

>> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of

>> >>> conduct.

>> >>>

>> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet

>> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy

>> >>> development process and operations.

>> >>>

>> >>> -Wafa _______________________________________________

>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list

>> >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >>

>> >> VIVIEN

>> >> LARUS CLOUD SERVICE LIMITED

>> >> p:+852 29888918

>> >> f:+852 29888368

>> >> e:a.v.p at laruscloudservice.net

>> >> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1]

>> >> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR

>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/No.3+Hoi+Shing+Road,Tsuen+Wan,HKSAR?entry=gmail&source=g>

>> >

>> >> _______________________________________________

>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list

>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>> >

>> >

>> > Links:

>> > ------

>> > [1] http://laruscloudservice.net/

>> > _______________________________________________

>> > Community-Discuss mailing list

>> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> b

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> Message: 2

>> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:17:38 +0100

>> From: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>

>> To: hkariuki at isoc.or.ke

>> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net, rpd at afrinic.net

>> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>> Message-ID: <906C337A-852D-4857-B7F5-1CD39205112F at gmail.com>

>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

>>

>> @

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

>>

>> > On 3 Jul 2019, at 19:35, hkariuki at isoc.or.ke wrote:

>> >

>> > Taiwo,

>> > I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting

>> in Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that

>> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We also

>> had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and onsite

>> discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue learning and

>> contributing to policy discussions.

>> > Regards,

>> > Hellen

>> >

>> >

>> >> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:

>> >> Hi all,

>> >> Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the

>> >> policies to be discussed.

>> >> Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students

>> >> included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new

>> >> members who are fresh in the policy development process.

>> >> On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the

>> >> foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every

>> >> meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.

>> >> Cheers.

>> >> Taiwo O

>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston

>> >>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

>> >>>> Wafa,

>> >>>> So ? let me say this.  I see a document here ? which lays out

>> >>>> the policies ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also

>> >>>> lists the pros and cons.  Yes, Lazarus may have used the

>> >>>> foundation to lobby for its position, but ? one of the things

>> >>>> that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you believe in

>> >>>> something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the

>> >>>> summary that I see in this document ? is something that by and

>> >>>> large ? should have been done long before they got around to it.

>> >>>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am

>> >>>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position.  I am also

>> >>>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting ?

>> >>>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I

>> >>>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that?s life ? but

>> >>>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of

>> >>>> internet policy development.  Do you think that similar does not

>> >>>> happen elsewhere?  People lobby for the positions that they care

>> >>>> about.  It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we

>> >>>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.

>> >>>> Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening

>> >>>> before ? and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF

>> >>>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL

>> >>>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___

>> >>>> Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money

>> >>>> filling the room with people ? and that statement does not say

>> >>>> ? is of benefit to Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to

>> >>>> the African continent ? it does not say is to the benefit of the

>> >>>> continent ? it singles out a single demographic on the continent

>> >>>> and says ? we do what we do for their benefit.   Now, let me be

>> >>>> very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m actually ok with it

>> >>>> ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ? however, we

>> >>>> cannot say ? because it?s a government political organization

>> >>>> ? it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation

>> >>>> ? and sponsor people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the

>> >>>> positions that member is passionate about ? suddenly its wrong.

>> >>>> That is called hypocrisy.

>> >>>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with

>> >>>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and

>> >>>> sit down ? and the same happened in Botswana.  Except, what I

>> >>>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the

>> >>>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,

>> >>>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn?t

>> >>>> understand the position they were taking themselves.  So who was

>> >>>> behind that?  And all of that ? is on video for the world to see

>> >>>> ? but ? it was ok then ? suddenly it changes now because we

>> >>>> don?t like the individual doing it?

>> >>>> Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear

>> >>>> ? Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I

>> >>>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front

>> >>>> of others who will testify to what I said to him ? however ? I

>> >>>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is

>> >>>> essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his

>> >>>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on

>> >>>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say.  In the same

>> >>>> way ? I respect the right of any member to do that ? and I

>> >>>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if

>> >>>> they do not agree with it.    It is through this lobbying position

>> >>>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great

>> >>>> policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it

>> >>>> through the silencing of the rights of others.

>> >>>> My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their

>> >>>> say ? so be it ? that is bottom up.  If people want to lobby

>> >>>> their positions ? so be it ? that is bottom up.  If people

>> >>>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for

>> >>>> all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of the democratic

>> >>>> position.  If people want to bus a thousand people who share their

>> >>>> views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process.

>> >>>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ?

>> >>>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself.  What I see here

>> >>>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on

>> >>>> the *CONTENT* of the policy ? unlike what I have seen time and

>> >>>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to

>> >>>> do with the content or the policy.

>> >>>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite

>> >>>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu

>> >>>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the

>> >>>> comprehensive work ? and I applaud them for taking a stance that

>> >>>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for

>> >>>> their position in any way shape or form.  That is not to say I

>> >>>> agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will reserve

>> >>>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own

>> >>>> interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at

>> >>>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal

>> >>>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.

>> >>>> So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact

>> >>>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left

>> >>>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.

>> >>>> Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ?

>> >>>> and

>> >>>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_

>> >>>> Thanks

>> >>>> Andrew

>> >>>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>

>> >>>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30

>> >>>> TO: community-discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>>> CC: rpd at afrinic.net

>> >>>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>> >>>> Hi

>> >>>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus

>> >>>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in

>> >>>> Kampala, were given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC

>> >>>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:

>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg

>> >>>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation

>> >>>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG

>> >>>> participants interventions on the proposals.

>> >>>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these

>> >>>> participants views on the proposals  and their contributions at

>> >>>> the PPM and after....

>> >>>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual

>> >>>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to

>> >>>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions

>> >>>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of

>> >>>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.

>> >>>> Lack of disagreement is more important  than of agreement.  Also

>> >>>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.

>> >>>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough

>> >>>> consensus  process.

>> >>>> Section 6

>> >>>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough

>> >>>> consensus.

>> >>>> Section 7

>> >>>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be

>> >>>> rough consensus

>> >>>> My African fellows,

>> >>>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process

>> >>>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was

>> >>>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand

>> >>>> what is going on and what Africa needs...  I hope you?ve made

>> >>>> your minds and  now able to speak on your personal  capacity..

>> >>>> The real education package  is as below:

>> >>>> =====

>> >>>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC

>> >> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/

>> ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997

>> >>>> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)

>> >>>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf

>> >>>> AFRINIC constitution

>> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws

>> >>>> Registration Service  Agreement

>> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa

>> >>>> AFRINIC policy manual

>> >>>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual

>> >>>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM

>> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre

>> >>>> AFRINIC PDP

>> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy

>> >>>> Rough Consensus

>> >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

>> >>>> AFRINIC current policy proposals

>> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

>> >>>> RiRs PDPs

>> >>>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/

>> >>>> RIR comparative  policy overview

>> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/

>> >>>> ==============

>> >>>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.

>> >>>> Come build African Internet by Africans.

>> >>>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,

>> >>>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of

>> >>>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I

>> >>>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.

>> >>>> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of

>> >>>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid

>> >>>> intentions...  the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must

>> >>>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of

>> >>>> conduct.

>> >>>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet

>> >>>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy

>> >>>> development process and operations.

>> >>>> -Wafa _______________________________________________

>> >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list

>> >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>> >>> --

>> >>> VIVIEN

>> >>> LARUS CLOUD SERVICE LIMITED

>> >>> p:+852 29888918

>> >>> f:+852 29888368

>> >>> e:a.v.p at laruscloudservice.net

>> >>> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1]

>> >>> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR

>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/No.3+Hoi+Shing+Road,Tsuen+Wan,HKSAR?entry=gmail&source=g>

>> >>> _______________________________________________

>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list

>> >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>> >> Links:

>> >> ------

>> >> [1] http://laruscloudservice.net/

>> >> _______________________________________________

>> >> Community-Discuss mailing list

>> >> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > b

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> Subject: Digest Footer

>>

>> _______________________________________________

>> RPD mailing list

>> RPD at afrinic.net

>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------

>>

>> End of RPD Digest, Vol 154, Issue 40

>> ************************************

>>

>

> _______________________________________________

> RPD mailing list

> RPD at afrinic.net

> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd

>

>

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190704/af55a6b8/attachment-0001.html>