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[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

Sami Salih sami.salih at
Wed Jul 3 08:41:19 UTC 2019


If I remember well, the colonists also came to "help".

To help someone/nation you need to be humble enough to give them the abstract things (Materials in this case), especially when dealing with young/fresh fellows. I believe from my long teaching experience that its much better to pass the abstract level of the knowledge so that student can use his own brain/logic to drawn the conclusion based on his logic. Giving youth ready made conclusions to just parroting others logic is much harming. Increasing the population at AFRINIC meeting is not a goal.
To show the good well of the fellowship providers, its much better to involve AFRINIC in the process from selection throw education and then effectively contribute to the meeting. This is the only way to assure sustainable, valuable, and trusted contributions and to build a real "bottom-up", "Open", and "Transparent" process in a real democratic way.

Those who are in my age may remember this "no separation for one nation down down colonization"

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From: Ousmane M. TESSA <ousmane at>
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:17 AM
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC List
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Larus foundation fellowship

A+ Jordi!

As an academic, most useful educational materials to leraners community have to be FAIR (findable accessible interoperable and reusable)!

So selective use of filtered and uncorrect "quoted" opinions have a flavour of ... project!

Those who say that they come as samaritain to "help" must bear in mind that AfriNIC community is more agile and smart than they think!

RESPECT! RESPECT! "Shouting is not a act of vitality"!

Dr Ousmane TESSA

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss <community-discuss at<mailto:community-discuss at>> a écrit :

Actually, I think this is something to be done by Afrinic, with the help of PDP chairs and policy proposal authors. The goal is not to convince them about *any* policy proposal, just to have more open time for openly discussing them, and mainly oriented to newcomers, but not only.

I’ve actually suggested (several times) for the last couple of years, some of those activities, that I’ve suggested as well in other RIRs and have been implemented already, with a great success. Up to now, it has never been done, despite how much I’ve insisted (staff and co-chairs can confirm that I’ve once and again provided lots of those ideas).

Here is a copy & paste of an email about that with the staff:

… concrete actions some of the in every meeting:

1) Setting up open sessions for discussion with policy proposal authors. The idea is that all the authors (willing to contribute) have a short explanation of each policy proposal (no slides, a common slide with titles of all policy proposals just for reference), and they can discuss openly with the participants. There is not any decision process here.

In order to plan agenda, I suggest doing this after the session for newcomers and/or sponsored fellows, same meeting room, so the people don't need to move, make it as easier as possible for them. In LACNIC we did that on Sunday evening because most of the folks travel on the morning. Distances and flights aren't the same in this region, so we should consider that.

2) Setting up specific tables for lunch for the same. Similar to above, so people with interest or questions about policy proposal, can sit down with authors to have a more open discussion.

3) Group Dynamics. Take newcomers and other people interested in the PDP. One morning before the policy-day. Create 3-4 small groups depending on how many folks participate (may be more if there are more people, but you need one staff or co-chair for each group), and each group should work in "understanding" a different policy proposal, looking for pros-cons, and trying to "develop" consensus on it and then presenting shortly their results to all the groups. The idea is that they get used to the process and can bring their views to the policy day. As the previous ones, this is not a formal part of the PDP. But in LACNIC has been useful because new people get engaged in the list and in the mics of the meeting.




El 2/7/19 20:55, "Noah" <noah at<mailto:noah at>> escribió:

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 17:11 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss, <community-discuss at<mailto:community-discuss at>> wrote:

When anyone present a summary of a policy proposal (which has been done already by the authors) you’re directly or indirectly doing your own analysis and arguing for or against based on your own perspective. This is influencing participants, it can be never 100% unbiassed.

+1 Jordi

I believe Wafa has provided far much better educational materials (unbiassed) on the policy development process to all the newbie's who can parse through and understand through those various links the origins of AfriNIC and how the entire pdp process works.

If anything, new folks would find the rpd list and its archives even more educational than a well documented and somewhat misleading document which is suspect.

I have been party to various working groups that lobby for or against some policies which is completely fine but the Larus Foundation approach is on some next level and seriously undermines the entire pdp process.


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