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[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

Tue Jul 2 20:20:23 UTC 2019

Actually, I think this is something to be done by Afrinic, with the help of PDP chairs and policy proposal authors. The goal is not to convince them about *any* policy proposal, just to have more open time for openly discussing them, and mainly oriented to newcomers, but not only.

I’ve actually suggested (several times) for the last couple of years, some of those activities, that I’ve suggested as well in other RIRs and have been implemented already, with a great success. Up to now, it has never been done, despite how much I’ve insisted (staff and co-chairs can confirm that I’ve once and again provided lots of those ideas).

Here is a copy & paste of an email about that with the staff:

… concrete actions some of the in every meeting:


    1) Setting up open sessions for discussion with policy proposal authors. The idea is that all the authors (willing to contribute) have a short explanation of each policy proposal (no slides, a common slide with titles of all policy proposals just for reference), and they can discuss openly with the participants. There is not any decision process here.

    In order to plan agenda, I suggest doing this after the session for newcomers and/or sponsored fellows, same meeting room, so the people don't need to move, make it as easier as possible for them. In LACNIC we did that on Sunday evening because most of the folks travel on the morning. Distances and flights aren't the same in this region, so we should consider that.


    2) Setting up specific tables for lunch for the same. Similar to above, so people with interest or questions about policy proposal, can sit down with authors to have a more open discussion.


    3) Group Dynamics. Take newcomers and other people interested in the PDP. One morning before the policy-day. Create 3-4 small groups depending on how many folks participate (may be more if there are more people, but you need one staff or co-chair for each group), and each group should work in "understanding" a different policy proposal, looking for pros-cons, and trying to "develop" consensus on it and then presenting shortly their results to all the groups. The idea is that they get used to the process and can bring their views to the policy day. As the previous ones, this is not a formal part of the PDP. But in LACNIC has been useful because new people get engaged in the list and in the mics of the meeting.




El 2/7/19 20:55, "Noah" <noah at> escribió:

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 17:11 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss, <community-discuss at> wrote:

When anyone present a summary of a policy proposal (which has been done already by the authors) you’re directly or indirectly doing your own analysis and arguing for or against based on your own perspective. This is influencing participants, it can be never 100% unbiassed.

+1 Jordi

I believe Wafa has provided far much better educational materials (unbiassed) on the policy development process to all the newbie's who can parse through and understand through those various links the origins of AfriNIC and how the entire pdp process works.

If anything, new folks would find the rpd list and its archives even more educational than a well documented and somewhat misleading document which is suspect.

I have been party to various working groups that lobby for or against some policies which is completely fine but the Larus Foundation approach is on some next level and seriously undermines the entire pdp process.


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