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[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship
Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu
ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
Tue Jul 2 13:21:58 UTC 2019
Hello Wafa,
I just went through the document shared of Larus foundation Fellowship, and
as rightly put by you, is an "educational document" on proposed policy
discussions ahead of the summit. These policies aren't a secret, I might be
wrong, but I don't quite see how this contravenes anything.
However, one can draw multiple conclusions from the content of this
document(s) based on different perspectives, or a preconceived notion.
A school of thought will say that Foundation through this document(s)
educates their fellows and brings them up to speed on topics on the front
burner by giving them a clearer picture on what to expect from the policy
discussions, in preparation for the discussion session at the summit. While
another school of thought can view the same document otherwise. It all
boils down to perspective.
I find it hard to queue up with the later because the same document
contains pros and cons on all policies based on the opinion of the author
of the said document.
I find it hard to fault a document which appears unbiased by my assessment,
as it falls under the public domain.
Kind Regards
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> From: DANIEL NANGHAKA <dndannang at gmail.com>
> To: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>
> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>
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> Thank Wafa for sharing the resources.
>
> This is a good insight that members should be educated about the AFRINIC
> PDP.
> And further it is critical that Capacity building is done for the
> respective new members to understand or learn about Policy Development
> procedures and how the policies are formulated.
> More to that - the need to drive consensus in a PDP.
>
> Many do not understand this.
>
> - Daniel K. Nanghaka
> ?
>
> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 12:34, wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus
> > foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in Kampala, were
> > given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC Number Resources
> > Policy proposals detailed in the following link:
> >
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg
> >
> >
> > The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation views
> > of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG participants
> interventions
> > on the proposals.
> >
> >
> >
> > The education package so proposed intends to condition these participants
> > views on the proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after....
> >
> >
> >
> > I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual willing to
> > participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to know who is behind
> > each source email address... only opinions expressed in the context of
> the
> > PDP matter. The substance of contribution really matter. Diversity of
> views
> > are encouraged. Lack of disagreement is more important than of
> agreement.
> > Also PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.
> >
> >
> >
> > RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough
> > consensus process.
> >
> >
> >
> > Section 6
> >
> > One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough
> > consensus.
> >
> >
> >
> > Section 7
> >
> > Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough
> > consensus
> >
> >
> >
> > My African fellows,
> >
> >
> >
> > Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process is
> > legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was useful to
> > you and allow you to identify the issues, understand what is going on and
> > what Africa needs... I hope you?ve made your minds and now able to
> > speak on your personal capacity..
> >
> >
> >
> > The real education package is as below:
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> >
> > Proposal to establish AFRINIC
> >
> >
> >
> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997
> >
> >
> >
> > IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation)
> >
> > https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC constitution
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
> >
> >
> >
> > Registration Service Agreement
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC policy manual
> >
> > https://afrinic.net/policy/manual
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC PDP
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy
> >
> >
> >
> > Rough Consensus
> >
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC current policy proposals
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals
> >
> >
> >
> > RiRs PDPs
> >
> > https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/
> >
> >
> >
> > RIR comparative policy overview
> >
> > https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/
> >
> > ==============
> >
> >
> >
> > Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.
> >
> >
> >
> > Come build African Internet by Africans.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation, afrinic
> > member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of IPv4 is long
> > established and discussed many times on this list. I hope the fellows
> would
> > find these discussions in the archives.
> >
> >
> >
> > I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of this
> > resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions... the
> > provisions of the bylaws and RSA must carefully be applied to recall
> > members to acceptable code of conduct.
> >
> >
> >
> > The African Internet community as well as the global Internet community
> > must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy development process
> > and operations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Wafa
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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> From: Anne-vivien Paris <a.v.p at outsideheaven.com>
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
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> Hi, I would like to clarify the following:
>
> 1. There is no any form of NDA required to be signed by our fellow. The
> materials we distribute are in public domain; everyone can access to it.
> The content is unbiased and factual and we do not keep it as something
> confidential. We do not know where you procure this and with what means,
> but the content is accessible to anyone who place a request on it. All
> arguments listed on the booklet are selected from discussions on the RDP
> list with the names of the author given out of consideration of
> anti-plagiarism and respect. Hence, pros and cons represent the opinion of
> the community instead of that of the Foundation.
>
> 2. The Foundation is a registered NGO in Hong Kong which is independent of
> any other organisation. The foundation has its own legal entity and
> structure, and your named cloud innovation does not interfere with
> Foundation?s affairs. We urge you to reconsider your statement and provide
> supporting documents/evidences regarding this otherwise we consider this as
> defamation.
>
> 3. Larus Foundation does not represent any party?s single interest. As
> mentioned in the above, it is a legally registered and recognised NGO which
> serves the community instead of a single party. Hence, it is unjust to
> correlate the Foundation with any single party and Foundation has never
> ?hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions?. Your statement does not have
> any ground. This can be considered as defamation without any concrete
> evidenced provided.
>
> We support fellows of various nationalities to attend RIR meetings,
> including but not limited to Tunisia, Uganda, Congo, South Korea and
> America. We believe the Internet is One and thus all parties in the world
> are concerned. The Foundation believes that we all work towards a single
> goal, ie a better Internet irrespective of our nationalities.
>
> We sincerely urge you to re-examine and reconsider your statements to
> prevent any unnecessary understanding within the community.
>
> For your reference, Larus Foundation is based in Hong Kong, which serves as
> an organisation to promote Internet number resources education. We aim to
> educate the general public, regardless of their age, gender, nationality,
> race, educational level and background as we believe everyone is a
> stakeholder in the world of Internet. We uphold a non-selective, fair and
> transparent principle.
>
> We carry out a series of events, including conferences, seminars, workshops
> and fellowship programme. Our fellowship programme provides support for
> various parties, particularly students and academics to participate in
> policy-making and Internet governance conferences.
>
> If you are interested about our Foundation, you can find more here:
> https://www.larusfoundation.org/
>
> Also, you are welcome to apply for our upcoming fellowship programme for
> AFRINIC 31:
> https://www.larusfoundation.org/about-the-fellowship/
>
> A brief timeline for your reference:
> Application Opened 1st July, 2019
> First Interview 30th July, 2019
> Application Closed 30th July, 2019
> Second Interview 18th August, 2019
> Education workshop and seminar 3rd September - 21st September, 2019
> Final Interview 24th October, 2019
> Result & Confirmation 3rd November, 2019
>
> We can also be reached via email and phone. If you have any questions
> regarding the Foundation and its events, please do not hesitate to contact
> us.
>
> Vivien
> *Vivien PARIS*
> *Larus FOUNDATION*
> p:+44 7746 416450
> w: www.larusfoundation.org
> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR
>
> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wafa,
> >
> > So ? let me say this. I see a document here ? which lays out the
> policies
> > ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also lists the pros and
> cons.
> > Yes, Lazarus may have used the foundation to lobby for its position, but
> ?
> > one of the things that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you
> believe
> > in something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the summary
> > that I see in this document ? is something that by and large ? should
> have
> > been done long before they got around to it.
> >
> > If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am entirely free
> > to go and advocate for my position. I am also entirely free to sponsor
> > people to come to a public meeting ? and I am entirely free to choose
> those
> > people as I so wish, if I choose the people who agree with me, well,
> that?s
> > life ? but it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political
> nature
> > of internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not
> happen
> > elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care about. It
> > happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we want to cry when
> > someone else does the same thing.
> >
> > Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening before ? and I
> > want to quote from the OIF website: *IOF organises political activities
> > and actions of multilateral cooperation that benefit French-speaking
> > populations.*
> >
> > Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money filling the
> > room with people ? and that statement does not say ? is of benefit to
> > Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to the African continent ? it does
> > not say is to the benefit of the continent ? it singles out a single
> > demographic on the continent and says ? we do what we do for their
> > benefit. Now, let me be very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m
> > actually ok with it ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ?
> > however, we cannot say ? because it?s a government political
> organization ?
> > it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation ? and sponsor
> > people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the positions that member is
> > passionate about ? suddenly its wrong. That is called hypocrisy.
> >
> > In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with slips of
> > paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and sit down ? and the
> > same happened in Botswana. Except, what I found was, when queried on the
> > position that was taken at the microphone, the individual reading what
> they
> > had off the paper, had patently obviously never read the policy and
> didn?t
> > understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was behind
> > that? And all of that ? is on video for the world to see ? but ? it was
> ok
> > then ? suddenly it changes now because we don?t like the individual doing
> > it?
> >
> > Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear ? Lu Heng is
> not
> > a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I had some pretty strong
> things
> > to say to him to his face, in front of others who will testify to what I
> > said to him ? however ? I respect his rights as a member to participate
> in
> > what is essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his
> right
> > to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on the ground,
> and
> > I respect his right to have his say. In the same way ? I respect the
> right
> > of any member to do that ? and I respect the right of the members to then
> > rebut what is said if they do not agree with it. It is through this
> > lobbying position and through the back and forth that accompanies it,
> that
> > great policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it through
> > the silencing of the rights of others.
> >
> > My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their say ? so
> be
> > it ? that is bottom up. If people want to lobby their positions ? so be
> it
> > ? that is bottom up. If people want to spend money running tv adverts
> > about their positions for all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of
> the
> > democratic position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share
> > their views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process.
> However,
> > it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ? the rebuttal should be
> > on the policy itself. What I see here however, is a rebuttal of policy
> and
> > a lobbying position taken on the **content** of the policy ? unlike what
> > I have seen time and again in the meetings where the lobbying position
> has
> > NOTHING to do with the content or the policy.
> >
> > So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite frankly,
> > reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu and I have some
> > serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the comprehensive work ? and I
> > applaud them for taking a stance that was based on the policy and I
> embrace
> > their right to lobby for their position in any way shape or form. That
> is
> > not to say I agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will
> > reserve my policy comments for the policies and based on my own
> > interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at least, it was
> > done based on what was written, and not on personal relationships,
> personal
> > attacks, demographics, or anything else.
> >
> >
> >
> > So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact that you
> > lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left the other garbage
> > behind, which is what we so often see.
> >
> >
> >
> > Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ? and
> >
> >
> >
> > *THAT IS DEMOCRATIC*
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30
> > *To:* community-discuss at afrinic.net
> > *Cc:* rpd at afrinic.net
> > *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus
> > foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in Kampala, were
> > given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC Number Resources
> Policy
> > proposals detailed in the following link:
> >
> >
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg
> >
> >
> >
> > The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation views
> > of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG participants
> interventions
> > on the proposals.
> >
> >
> >
> > The education package so proposed intends to condition these participants
> > views on the proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after....
> >
> >
> >
> > I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual willing to
> > participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to know who is behind
> > each source email address... only opinions expressed in the context of
> the
> > PDP matter. The substance of contribution really matter. Diversity of
> views
> > are encouraged. Lack of disagreement is more important than of
> agreement.
> > Also PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.
> >
> >
> >
> > RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough
> > consensus process.
> >
> >
> >
> > Section 6
> >
> > One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough
> > consensus.
> >
> >
> >
> > Section 7
> >
> > Five people for and one hundred people against might still be rough
> > consensus
> >
> >
> >
> > My African fellows,
> >
> >
> >
> > Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process is
> > legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was useful to
> > you and allow you to identify the issues, understand what is going on and
> > what Africa needs... I hope you?ve made your minds and now able to
> speak
> > on your personal capacity..
> >
> >
> >
> > The real education package is as below:
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> >
> > Proposal to establish AFRINIC
> >
> >
> >
> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997
> >
> >
> >
> > IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation)
> >
> > https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC constitution
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
> >
> >
> >
> > Registration Service Agreement
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC policy manual
> >
> > https://afrinic.net/policy/manual
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC PDP
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy
> >
> >
> >
> > Rough Consensus
> >
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
> >
> >
> >
> > AFRINIC current policy proposals
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals
> >
> >
> >
> > RiRs PDPs
> >
> > https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/
> >
> >
> >
> > RIR comparative policy overview
> >
> > https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/
> >
> > ==============
> >
> >
> >
> > Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.
> >
> >
> >
> > Come build African Internet by Africans.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation, afrinic
> > member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of IPv4 is long
> > established and discussed many times on this list. I hope the fellows
> would
> > find these discussions in the archives.
> >
> >
> >
> > I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of this
> > resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid intentions... the
> > provisions of the bylaws and RSA must carefully be applied to recall
> > members to acceptable code of conduct.
> >
> >
> >
> > The African Internet community as well as the global Internet community
> > must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy development process
> > and operations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Wafa
> > _______________________________________________
> > Community-Discuss mailing list
> > Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> >
>
>
> --
> *Vivien *
> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*
> p:+852 29888918
> f:+852 29888368
> e:a.v.p at laruscloudservice.net
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