[rpd] JUST FOR FUN!

[Seun Ojedeji]

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Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019, 13:11 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Clarification: This secret WG thing is a funny thing that exist only in
> RIPE.


SO: I guess you may not have been paying attention at AFRINIC meetings.

Regards

To make it clear is just for fun, nothing serious, so it doesn't exist!
> However, it is part of the "last" bit of the plenary in every RIPE meeting,
> and of course, I can't show it because is not recorded, it doesn't exist at
> all.
>
> We should make clear that is not for real, otherwise participants my
> believe that we are doing policies under the table or something worst!
>
> I guess Mark is referring to that one?
>
> I think only once it filtered out to the media :-)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
>
> You can find other versions googling for "The day the routers died"
>
> Even if it doesn't exist, may be some humorous folks in Afrinic want to
> start it? I'm not good in humor so unfortunately don't count on me for
> this. It requires some preparation time, but only takes 10 minutes at the
> closing plenary.
>
> If you want an example of a policy proposal that I submitted to that
> secret WG in the last RIPE meeting see below my signature. Unfortunately,
> you are missing the funniest part which was the presentation of this itself
> in the non-existing secret working group meeting!
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
> Global Policy Proposal: Authors Policy Violation
>
> Justification:
>
> Recently some authors are writing too many policy proposals and in several
> RIRs, and community doesn’t have sufficient time for debating them.
>
> Even if this may be considered good, not everybody is happy.
>
> So, we need to limit the number of policy proposals per author, unless
> they are so relevant that are being discussed in several RIRs.
>
> We also need to ensure that authors are collaborative in the discussions,
> and responding correctly and timely.
>
>
> Policy text:
>
> Policy proposal authors are only allowed to submit a maximum of 6
> proposals per year, unless they are submitted to a minimum of 3 RIRs
>
> Authors are required to respond to every email in the relevant policy
> list, within a maximum of 6 minutes, at least 18 hours per day, no matter
> their timezone. Rate limiting will be applied in case the response is not
> with appropriate in-line quoting.
>
> No more than 66 proposals allowed in 6 years, unless there is a commitment
> for sending additional 66 proposals among all a minimum of 3 RIRs.
>
> Violation of this policy is a policy violation, punished with the
> prohibition of participating in the following 6 RIR meetings.
>
> Pros:
> a)      The mailing list may become too quiet in case of violation.
>
> Cons:
> a)      We could enjoy more time the bars, socials and cities where the
> meetings are being held.
> b)      We may not have more policy authors and discussions (or this is a
> pro?).
>
> Implementation: Immediate
>
>
>
> El 23/6/19 13:54, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> escribió:
>
>     I totally agree with you Jordi. The only exception to this would be
> any
>     "secret working group" presentations - which anyway should be for
>     amusement purposes only.
>
>     On 2019/06/23 11:08, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > I've observed that the agenda of the last meeting doesn't yet
> include the presentations neither the videos.
>     >
>     > Authors are asked to submit them before the meeting, however, I
> can't understand how is possible that those aren't then immediately upload
> to the agenda where everyone can easily access to them.
>     >
>     > This already happened in the previous event, where I asked
> explicitly the staff to provide a link to the "Policy Implementation
> Experience Report", because some of us intended to work "on-site" in
> drafting some policy proposals to resolve the issues presented. Actually,
> during the presentation of this report, it was explicitly said that the
> slides will be publish.
>     >
>     > How come we can be on-site, with opportunities to work "on-site" and
> don't be able to access the materials? This simple aborts chances to
> improve our on-site collaboration, and we know how difficult is to get the
> participants engaged afterwards in the list.
>     >
>     > Moreover, in this specific meeting, the screen was too small, and
> instead of being located in the center of the room was at the left, so it
> was impossible, for half of the participants, seating in the center-right,
> to see the slides. So having the slides available "on the spot" is a MUST.
>     >
>     > I don't think is appropriate to send all the presentations as
> attachments to the list, that why I'm not going to send my own slides to
> the list.
>     >
>     > In fact, the right thing to do is to have a much better agenda
> format for all the meetings (past, present and future), because for
> historial reasons, and for making sure that policy authors, contributors in
> the list and whoever want to "know", we need to have a simple access to all
> the relevant information of every policy proposal.
>     >
>     > So please, publish the videos, slides and transcripts in the agenda (
> https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/programme#) as latest as
> tomorrow, so we can continue working in fruitful discussions.
>     >
>     > Once this is done, please, work in updating the agenda format for
> the next meetings, and also make sure that videos and slides of previous
> meetins are available as well.
>     >
>     > If I can suggest a better format for the agenda, I will say that you
> need to look at options for how other RIRs or conferences in general that
> have paralel tracks to it, and how they are able to have for each
> presentation, already on-site (some of the points of course are available
> way ahead before the meeting):
>     > 1) Title
>     > 2) Presenter(s)
>     > 3) Link to slides
>     > 4) Link to video
>     >
>     > I'm happy to work with the staff if they need help to improve this,
> review possible formats, etc.
>     >
>     > Again, not trying to blame anyone, just trying to get everything
> improved so it works better for everyone. Probably the staff can't "see"
> this issue, because they have an internal contant management system or
> folders, where they have this information already.
>     >
>     > Thanks!
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Jordi
>     > @jordipalet
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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