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[rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
McTim
dogwallah at gmail.com
Mon Jun 17 19:39:12 UTC 2019
Hi Ernest, all
I was part of that 2012 election reform committee.
IIRC, the requirement for residency was ONLY for Board voting, NOT for PDWG
voting eligibility.
I replied to Owen's mail yesterday, but did not cc the list, so here is my
original reply to him that was meant for the list:
Owen wrote:
For example, it has never previously been the practice that one must reside
> in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG co-chair, nor
> should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside of the region as well
> as those within the region and there are a significant number of people
> active in the PDWG that do not live within the region, myself included.
>
As a former AFRINIC Election Comittee Chair (and former PDWG Co-Chair and
former Election reform committee memeber) I can confirm this is correct.
This is shocking and the first I have heard of it.
It is disenfranchisement without consultation and must be reversed IMO.
In addition, it makes no sense to restrict nominations as described on the
webpage:
6) Nomination
A person may only nominate one candidate. In case of multiple nominations
by the same person, only the last nomination will be considered valid.
I would like to understand the rationale for this action. I do not recall
this being the case previously for PDWG elections.
I will try to look up the document from 2012 in my email archives.
--
McTim
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:12 AM Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net>
wrote:
> Owen,
>
> An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced by an
> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and shared with
> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
>
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
>
> Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the original copy, but
> the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement that those
> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
>
> The elections committee has however never enforced this requirement
> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was presumably an
> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback consequent
> to the call for comments.
>
> The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this requirement
> in the coming election based on precedent.
>
> On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not provided for this
> before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
>
> We welcome and will include the community’s feedback towards improving the
> current election processes.
>
> Ernest.
>
>
> > On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
> >
> > First, I would think that the controlling document would be the CPM and
> not some random webpage of unknown origin.
> >
> > Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined in CPM
> section 3 and that where the following page:
> > https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> >
> > Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should be
> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not valid.
> >
> > I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole’s earlier question about where
> this procedure came from and how it was deployed without community
> involvement or consensus.
> >
> > Amending the election procedure (or even making it more specific) should
> be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
> >
> > It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the board, or
> whoever else produced that page.
> >
> > For example, it has never previously been the practice that one must
> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG
> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside of the
> region as well as those within the region and there are a significant
> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the region,
> myself included.
> >
> > No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
> >
> > Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
> >
> > The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal election, so
> that leaves an open question.
> > However, https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> states that you must be physically present in the room and must have a
> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort out the
> irregularities with badge printing).
> >
> > Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this election
> at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Owen
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on conduct of
> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election process somehow
> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how we came
> about the detailed election notes outlined at
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ? This is
> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the PDP.
> >>
> >> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of retaining
> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving after the
> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working group
> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair) the option
> of rejecting the default seat retention.
> >>
> >> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the NomCom
> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections Committee
> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Dewole.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
> >>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is qualify to be
> voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not trying to
> define new rules here.
> >>>
> >>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless should be
> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone giving
> any special consideration.
> >>>
> >>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are volunteering,
> could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the PWDG. So let us not
> disadvantage anyone.
> >>>
> >>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to a fair process and maintaining
> that going forward will be important.
> >>>
> >>> Simply,
> >>> Danile
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I shared
> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of the policy
> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the
> election before the open mic will allow working group members also provide
> feedback on the process during the open mic.
> >>>>
> >>>> The contents of
> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019 remain
> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should wait for
> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are (before we
> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions could be
> included as part of the information to provide during the nominations
> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the candidates
> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
> >>>>
> >>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has a plan for
> incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to participate
> in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dewole.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to keep
> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be good to
> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even if the
> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP discussion time
> is respected.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one year, or
> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful knowledge
> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about electing
> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that better knows
> the PDP and has already been following it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since when they
> have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed in the
> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy proposals. How
> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have actively
> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so we can
> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy proposal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I don't
> think all the candidates have that information right now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified
> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the candidate and
> publish it together with the CVs ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Jordi
> >>>>> El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng> escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the
> Nomination
> >>>>> Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the final
> slate of
> >>>>> candidates after their considerations have been done.
> >>>>> Elections Committee should at this point also state how the
> seats would
> >>>>> be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There have been
> >>>>> suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to sort them
> out now
> >>>>> rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
> >>>>> My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
> >>>>> Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of hands to see
> if the
> >>>>> working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If
> majority in
> >>>>> support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the election is
> for one
> >>>>> seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the
> maximum votes.
> >>>>> If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of
> current co-chair
> >>>>> taking a seat by default, then second round of voting can be for
> 2 seats
> >>>>> possibly using the option of higher votes getting the longer
> term.
> >>>>> Again, this is just my point of view.
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Dewole.
> >>>>> On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >>>>> > Hi Serge,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> >>>>> >> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
> persons who
> >>>>> >> submitted their documentation. The Nomination Committee
> Chair contacted
> >>>>> >> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> > Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,
> nominees that
> >>>>> > complained or only nominees that remained after the NomCom
> filter.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > The text "persons who submitted their documentation" requires
> more
> >>>>> > clarity IMHO.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Regards,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Ish Sookun
> >>>>> >
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