[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now!

[Noah]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019, 20:09 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>
> Short explanation about why I submitted two policy proposals for the same
> problem:
>
> 1) I know some folks in the region (it happened as well in other regions),
> are afraid of IPv4 addresses scaping "out" of the region with this kind of
> policy proposal.
>

Its not about being afraid. That is what will happen.


> 2) In my presentation I will try to demonstrate, and hopefully convince
> the participants, that this is not the case and that this policy proposal
> is clearly beneficial (and needed) for the region.
>

Will you be able to demonstrate the availability of reasonable space
outside of our region from regions which ran out of space centuries ago.




> So, as you say, 2019-v4-001-d1, may be a possible interim if I'm not good
> enough selling my arguments.
>
> However, definitively, I think the right direction is 2019-v4-002-d1.
>
> The way both policy proposals are written allows the community to have two
> choices, and even people to support both of them, so we can make some
> progress in any case.
>


We have an existing intra-rir policy already.

We shall explore that before even attempting to introduce other transfer
policies that would open room for abuse.

No support from me.....


> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet




>
>
> El 16/6/19 17:31, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> escribió:
>
>
>     On 2019/06/15 12:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
> Inter-RIR transfers.
>     >
>     > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
>     We need an Inter-RIR transfer policy. This would be a great step in
> the
>     right direction.
>     I support this Policy - even as an interim until 2019-v4-002 is passed.
>     >
>     > and
>     >
>     > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
>
>     This is what we really need - a full and complete transfer policy.
>     Please people - get behind this. I support it
>
>
>     >
>     > I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
> you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely (
> https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we can
> resolve any doubts on the spot.
>     >
>     > This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
> allowing those transfers.
>     >
>     > AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
> exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to obtain
> IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this will be an added
> difficulty for the Internet growth in the region, and increase the
> difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
>     >
>     > The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
> requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the systems
> of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent transfers process.
>     >
>     > So, what is your opinion?
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Jordi
>     > @jordipalet
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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