[rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG

Sun Jun 9 10:49:12 UTC 2019

Hi Daniel,

I'm not suggesting to change the rules.

In fact, there is already a broken rule. The PDP indicate: "The PDWG Chairs are chosen by the AFRINIC community during the Public Policy Meeting and serve staggered two-year terms."

And it seems that this is not been followed. This rule is there for a very good reason. One of the co-chairs needs to remain in the position because policy proposals (never mind reach consensus in the meeting or not), need still to be handled in the following weeks (last-call, etc.). If none of the co-chairs is there, the new co-chairs have a challenging mission to review "all" what has been done/discussed before their term about those policy proposals. Is not fair for anyone (new chairs, proposals, and community). The chances of making a wrong judgement are much bigger, because you will me missing, for sure, relevant information.

This is specially true if those elected co-chairs have not been *active* in the policy discussions.

Fresh air is always good, I fully agree. However, let me explain an history. In another region I've seen people subscribing to the mailing list just when they become candidates. Renember that, unless I'm mistaken, the co-chairs, get their traveling expenses paid by the community, whether they do their job or not, is irrelevant. So can you imagine, that may be somebody is just trying to get their attendance funded being elected ? Do you really think it is fair? Can the community expect that those folks, that have no previous experience in the PDP, are good candidates?

According to the rules, they can be candidates, no discussion on that.

HOWEVER, the community has the *RIGHT TO KNOW* if they have been in the mailing list for several weeks, or years, if they have actually participated or not.

I don't think a student (just an example, I hope we don't have a case like that), that is new in the community, has not been active in an operator, and just joined the RPD mailing list, should be considered by the community, even if he has many friends.

So this is not about disadvantaging anyone, is about the COMMUNITY RIGHT to have all the relevant information.

A CV for a candidate MUST HAVE all this information. If the CV don't have it, the community can ASK (and I'm publicly asking here to all the candidates), about that (and the community can verify if this is true or not). If they decide not to provide this information or they provide information which is not true, they community will still decide.

The community can still decide "this student will provide fresh air, even if he has no experience" and still vote for it, and get elected.

Do you expect to elect a politician just because he promise he will do a good job, even if he has no previous experience? Well may be ... What about a fireman? Let's suppose the community of a city has the right to elect one of the firemans. One of them has no experience, even more, he weights 150 kilograms. Do you think the community don't have the right to have that information?

I know they are extreme and hilarious examples, but I'm sure you understand better what I mean.

Regards,
Jordi

El 9/6/19 0:19, "Daniel Yakmut" <yakmutd at googlemail.com> escribió:

    I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is qualify to be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not trying to define new rules here.

    We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless should be given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone giving any special consideration.

    In particular I believe that all the candidates that are volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the PWDG. So let us not disadvantage anyone.

    So far NomCom have shown commitment to  a fair process and maintaining that going forward will be important.

    Simply,
    Danile

    On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:

    > Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I shared earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of the policy day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the election before the open mic will allow working group members also provide feedback on the process during the open mic.
    > 
    > The contents of https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019 remain unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should wait for NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are (before we start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions could be included as part of the information to provide during the nominations stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the candidates only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
    > 
    > One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has a plan for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
    > 
    > Regards,
    > Dewole.
    > 
    > On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
    >> Hi Dewole, all,
    >> 
    >> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to keep continuity of the existing co-chairs.
    >> 
    >> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be good to consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even if the election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP discussion time is respected.
    >> 
    >> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one year, or how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
    >> 
    >> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful knowledge by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about electing "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that better knows the PDP and has already been following it.
    >> 
    >> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since when they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed in the discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy proposals. How the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have actively supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so we can avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy proposal.
    >> 
    >> Reading the actual CVs at https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I don't think all the candidates have that information right now.
    >> 
    >> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified responses to some extent) those questions for each of the candidate and publish it together with the CVs ?
    >> 
    >> Regards,
    >> Jordi
    >>  
    >> El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng> escribió:
    >> 
    >>     A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the Nomination
    >>     Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the final slate of
    >>     candidates after their considerations have been done.
    >>          Elections Committee should at this point also state how the seats would
    >>     be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There have been
    >>     suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to sort them out now
    >>     rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
    >>          My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
    >>     Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of hands to see if the
    >>     working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If majority in
    >>     support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the election is for one
    >>     seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the maximum votes.
    >>          If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of current co-chair
    >>     taking a seat by default, then second round of voting can be for 2 seats
    >>     possibly using the option of higher votes getting the longer term.
    >>          Again, this is just my point of view.
    >>          Regards,
    >>          Dewole.
    >>          On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
    >>     > Hi Serge,
    >>     >
    >>     > On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
    >>     >> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the persons who
    >>     >> submitted their documentation.  The Nomination Committee Chair contacted
    >>     >> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
    >>     >>
    >>     > Is this particular update referring to all the nominees, nominees that
    >>     > complained or only nominees that remained after the NomCom filter.
    >>     >
    >>     > The text "persons who submitted their documentation" requires more
    >>     > clarity IMHO.
    >>     >
    >>     > Regards,
    >>     >
    >>     > Ish Sookun
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