[rpd] Benjiro

Sun Dec 9 10:36:02 UTC 2018

Please talk to the community who my post was addressed to.

Boubakar

On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 10:27 AM Andrew Alston <
Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

> Boubakar,
>
> Let me ask you a question - would it be acceptable if I announced I was
> providing sponsorship for participants but restricted it to white South
> Africans? Or if I I said I was providing sponsorship that was entirely
> limited to those who spoke kikuyu? Or any other limiting factor that was
> based entirely on linguistics or race or creed?
>
> Would you not be screaming that the sponsorship of one particular
> demographic was wrong - was stacking the floor - was racist - was whatever?
>
> What is the difference here - if we are a community and as one - why do
> accept that one group can sponsor people entirely limited to one group of
> people - while the Lazarus foundation is slammed for “stacking the floor”
>
> This is what I do not understand and I am asking you as a serious question
> - should we - with the full involvement of afrinic - allow an organization
> to sponsor based on selective demographics?
>
> Obviously if they want to sponsor people - any organization can do that -
> and their beliefs and what they do is up to them - however - when an
> organization is funding and sponsoring without being fully inclusive - I
> have a problem with it being done in collaboration with afrinic - that is
> meant to be an inclusive non-partisan body without bias.
>
> Andrew
>
> Liquid Telecommunications - Group Head Of IP Strategy
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Boubakar Barry <boubakarbarry at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:57
> *To:* rpd
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Benjiro
>
>
> Dear Community,
>
>
> Attacking so bluntly an organisation that has supported AfriNIC over
> decades is just unacceptable.
>
>
> I think OIF has done a lot for this community by providing resources that
> helped us improve and maintain diversity in participation. That’s
> commendable.
>
>
> We still have room for progress, but I think we are on the right path; I
> was delighted to see an announcement posted a couple of days ago with an
> Arabic version of it. Next steps would be to provide versions of the
> website in Arabic and Portuguese as well  and to have interpretation in
> these languages too in our meetings. That requires more resources for sure,
> but maybe organisations such as the Arab League could support.
>
>
> It’s unfortunate that as we are making such progress for more inclusion,
> an organization is attacked in such way. This should be embarrassing for us
> as community and I think Board and Management who represent this community
> should distance themselves from this dangerous move that may affect
> AFRINIC. And invite initiators of such attacks to stop. This cannot be good
> for AFRINIC.
>
>
> BTW, it's intellectually dishonest to state that people who are sponsored
> by OIF defend interest of a demographic group only. I challenge anyone to
> prove this. To the best of my knowledge, the people targeted here have
> always acted in a way they think is best for AFRINIC and the community.
>
>
> Finally, I hope I won’t be attacked myself for writing this and be tagged
> “OIF”. Anf for the record: the only time I was sponsored by OIF was in
> 1998, to attend the AIG meeting in Cotonou.
>
>
> Boubakar
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 6:27 AM Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me be very clear – respect is earned – not bought, and gratitude?
>> Maybe those you funds owe you such – but I have found the actions of the
>> OIF delegates to AFRINIC meetings to be nothing short of totally abhorrent
>> – and there is certainly no gratitude or respect that shall be forthcoming
>> for those actions.
>>
>>
>>
>> When time after time it is the OIF delegates lining up to the microphone
>> with slips of paper with pre-written objections to policies and when
>> questioned showing no knowing of what they are saying – you get no respect
>> for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> The OIF’s website states:
>>
>>
>>
>> *IOF organises political activities and actions of multilateral
>> cooperation that benefit French-speaking populations. Its actions respect
>> cultural and linguistic diversity and serve to promote the French language,
>> peace and sustainable development.*
>>
>>
>>
>> Firstly – I have seen NO respect from the OIF delegates for anything
>> outside of their group.  Secondly – the African Continent is far from than
>> just French – and I have a lot of good French friends – I have no problem
>> with the French – I do have a problem with AFRINIC having an MoU with an
>> organization that explicitly promotes the interests of one demographic.  In
>> fact I question if this does not represent a very subtle form of internet
>> colonialism.
>>
>>
>>
>> So no – you will get no respect or gratitude for money – when the actions
>> of the OIF and its delegates at AFRINIC promote unity rather than division
>> – and do – as per the OIF’s website – respect that the continent is made up
>> of a diverse population of English, French, Arabic, Portuguese, Swahili,
>> and countless more – and the delegates are not banded together to reject
>> anything and everything that is not of their making – then maybe – I will
>> have some gratitutde.  But rest assured – my respect – is earned by PEOPLE
>> who have shown their competence, irrespective of language, race, creed,
>> religion, skin color or anything else – it is not earned by flying lots of
>> people to meetings to push a specific linguistic agenda.
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Gregoire Ehoumi via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Reply-To: *Gregoire Ehoumi <gregoire.ehoumi at yahoo.fr>
>> *Date: *Saturday, 8 December 2018 at 19:06
>> *To: *Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>, "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Benjiro
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> there seem to be some discussions about OIF role and activities around
>> AFRINIC. OIF and AFRINIC has a long time relationship which it is worth
>> showing people.
>>
>> Before AFRINIC  accreditation :
>>
>>
>> http://docplayer.net/10409680-Afrinic-spearheading-africa-s-internet-since-2005-10-year-anniversary.html
>> page 6
>>
>> "2003
>> Adiel Akplogan, former President of Senegal and the OIF Abdou Diouf, and
>> the French Ambassador to Mauritius sign an MoU on funding from the French
>> Ministry for AfriNIC ' s capacity building efforts"
>>
>>
>> https://www.lexpress.mu/article/afrinic-assure-seul-la-gestion-des-adresses-africaines-du-net
>>
>> Abdou Diouf, secrétaire général de l'OIF a  rendu visite au siège
>> administratif AFRINIC. .....
>> Henri Vignal, ambassadeur de France, a offert, au nom du gouvernement
>> français, 70 000 euros (environ Rs 2 380 000) à l'association pour aider à
>> former des informaticiens africains......
>>
>> More on AFRINIC  and OIF relationship on the Web. ..
>>
>> OIF funds experts not only to AFRINIC meetings but also to IGF, ICANN etc
>>
>> This community  owes OIF respect and gratitude.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>>
>> --Gregoire
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original message------
>>
>> *From: *Mark Elkins
>>
>> *Date: *Fri, Dec 7, 2018 1:35 PM
>>
>> *To: *rpd at afrinic.net;
>>
>> *Cc: *
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [rpd] Benjiro
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/7/18 7:38 PM, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:
>>
>> Dabu Sifiso,
>>
>> Is it not true that Daniel brought those young girls and boys and we all
>> saw what they come to do? Is it pinching you that Benjilo brought out what
>> we all know?
>>
>> Let me tell you that I am not a coward and I am not afraid of Daniel to
>> tell him that he "recruited mercenaries" for Lu.
>>
>> Keep well your fake evidence and spoof emails.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ha! - but that is exactly what happened in Dakar - and I was on the
>> receiving end of it.
>>
>> So now the shoe is on the other foot?
>>
>> I've seen this time and time again - a group of OIF sponsored folk
>> gathering around people such as Alain at the back of the meeting hall -
>> chatting in whispers.
>>
>> Actually - I would suspect that very few people at an AfriNIC meeting pay
>> for themselves personally to go there (or even contribute themselves) -
>> that is, out of their own personal pocket vs the Company paying. I've done
>> that for the past two meetings I attended, Nairobi and Dakar. Its not easy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Dabu Sifiso <dabu.sifiso at yandex.com> <dabu.sifiso at yandex.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 7, 2018 4:29:20 PM
>> *To:* madomey at hotmail.com
>> *Subject:* Benjiro
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Marcus,
>>
>> Rumor...well evidence collected has it you are Benjiro.
>> I wonder how the community will react.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dabu Sifiso
>>
>>
>>
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