[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 147, Issue 95

Sat Dec 8 05:00:54 UTC 2018

I have followed discussion in rpd and sincerely I believe just like gold,the process is yet to reach a concensus...I am of the opinion that policy objections should not be seen as platform to gain recognition..but as a medium of constructive reasoning to bring about effective policies dat will drive the process ...
It is the future that we  are projecting..hence the inclusion of future young minds should be a welcome development.. ..

Chris 

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    1. Re: Declaration of War by
 Banjamin Ledoh (Paschal Ochang)
    2. Re: Declaration of War by
 Banjamin Ledoh (Daniel Yakmut)

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 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:47:14 +0100
 From: Paschal Ochang <pascosoft at gmail.com>
 To: Benjamin Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>,
 rpd at afrinic.net
 Subject: Re: [rpd] Declaration of War
 by Banjamin Ledoh
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 What I am seeing today is a clear
 reflection of a scenario where someone
 was told in Hammammet that he does not
 belong to this community meanwhile
 he has contributed to the development
 of this community.
 Benjamin this attack shows how low you
 can go to achieve you goals. You are
 saying you have to engage in
 intellectual discourse but this is not a
 discussion and cannot be engaged in by
 any progressive mind.
 I was in Hammammet and I saw no
 exchange of scripts by Nigerians to oppose
 anything . In fact they were other
 policies in which Nigerians participated
 in. Just because an individual does not
 support your ideals or does not
 support a policy you are supporting
 does not make him or her a nonentity in
 this community.
 Why should the young future of
 tomorrows policy decisions sit down by the
 side and watch people like you who can
 go so low to attack personalities. I
 think you need to be schooled on
 mailing etiquettes because you have also
 attacked Jordi's personality just like
 it was done in Hammammet based on
 his contributions to the growth of this
 community.
 I am a Nigerian and an African proudly
 and they will be no war anywhere
 because your actions do not reflect
 your comments.
 I am a lecturer in a University in
 Nigeria and I will like all my students
 to participate in the PDP process if
 need be because the decisions taken
 will affect the future generation which
 is theirs and should not be
 poisoned or hijacked by your actions.

 On Friday, December 7, 2018, Benjamin
 Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 > Hi Daniel,
 >
 > LOL - Why are you becoming
 emotional LOL You have to engage in
 > intellectual discourse - that is
 the way way progressive minds go.
 >
 > It is established that you have
 truly brought your fellow Nigerians to
 > Hammamet. GREAT! Congratulations
 to your University for paying for their
 > trip to Hammamet! (Your university
 is reach and turned into Foundation to
 > send students to oppose policy - I
 am wondering or the real LA-Foundation
 > is out there). Since you are
 claiming that you brought them to have a so
 > called exposure, why were they
 given script to read and oppose? Don't you
 > think that it would be wise for
 them to sit and observe how business is
 > run?
 >
 > Well I am not for WAR, rather
 PEACE.
 >
 > *By the way, it is your own fellow
 Nigerians who are reporting this
 > mercenary business you are
 undertaking and they are feeling ashamed for you
 > because you have sold your
 opinion. So start your war in Nigeria.*
 >
 > PEACE - PEACE - PEACE - I am only
 reporting.
 >
 >
 > BenjiLo
 >
 > PS - Are you going to send your
 recruits to Jordi's Academy of Policy
 > Writing (JAPW)? I am only asking -
 SHALOM.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM
 Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 >> Dear Benjamin !!!
 >>
 >> I take serious exception to
 your comment, I work in the University and
 >> part of my responsibility is
 to expose my students to the practice of
 >> Internet Governance and
 attending AfriNIC is part of it. Unfortunately, you
 >> or any other person does not
 have the capacity to buy my opinion.
 >>
 >> If you are in the business of
 being sponsored by name withheld to
 >> destabilise progressive
 community, just typical of your kind in the West
 >> Africa region. I can see that
 is why you are supporting a sponsored policy.
 >>
 >> ignorant of you, we have not
 supported the review policy way before
 >> Hammamet. Because we saw
 through the policy, that it is poison and
 >> clannishly sponsored.
 >>
 >> Attendance to AfriNIC by
 sponsorship should be applauded. But if you want
 >> a war with benefactors of
 other people, I don't I have a problem with that,
 >> you will have the people to
 contend with.
 >>
 >> I will clearly tell you I have
 been in AfriNIC, i am sure long before you
 >> know it. So, your kind cannot
 intimidate me by no means. When you hit a
 >> brick wall you tend to reduce
 serious business to village square matter.
 >> VERY TYPICAL.
 >>
 >>
 >> --- Daniel
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:36 AM,
 Benjamin Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi Daniel,
 >>
 >>
 >> It is true that you have been
 contracted by a certain Foundation (name
 >> withheld) to recruit some
 young Nigerians, whose trips to Hammamet were
 >> paid for by the Foundation, to
 oppose the Review policy during AFRINIC-29
 >> Meeting?
 >>
 >>
 >> This question to is coming
 from the fact that there is a rumor going
 >> round and generally, there is
 no smoke without fire.
 >>
 >>
 >> Thanks
 >>
 >>
 >> BenjiLo
 >>
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 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 13:59:51 +0100
 From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
 To: Benjamin Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>
 Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
 Subject: Re: [rpd] Declaration of War
 by Banjamin Ledoh
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 BenJilo,

 If you are not a Nigerian stay out of
 Nigerian business or you will soon be roasted. I am not
 emotional and the matter you raised is not an intellectual
 one.  You missed it, Hammamet is not the first time,
 please trace my history since the days of AfNOG/AfriNIC.
 Hopefully it will only get better.

 The Young Nigerians that came to
 Hammamet are listening on the list, so i will allow them to
 defend themselves against your allegation of reading from a
 prepared script. But I am very sure I did not prepare a
 script for them. I am also aware they were encourage to
 participate actively, with clear and independent mind.

 They are Nigerians they don't miss on
 opportunities, I believe they will join the "Jordi's Academy
 of Policy Writing (JAPW)" so that they can obliterate your
 kind who hate Nigerians.

 Yes I will start my war in Nigeria, but
 I can assure you , you might not be spared when the war is
 over.

 The same Nigerians that have informed
 you of my "act", will tell you a different story when we
 meet again. I suspect the informing Nigerian(s) were
 sponsored by your unnamed foundation to come support THE
 POLICY.

 Any attempt to muzzle me or anyone from
 saying their minds on the PDP will and has woefully failed.

 So keep LOL.

 ---Daniel

 On Dec 7, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Benjamin
 Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 > Hi Daniel,
 > 
 > LOL - Why are you becoming
 emotional LOL You have to engage in intellectual discourse -
 that is the way way progressive minds go.
 > 
 > It is established that you have
 truly brought your fellow Nigerians to Hammamet. GREAT!
 Congratulations to your University for paying for their trip
 to Hammamet! (Your university is reach and turned into
 Foundation to send students to oppose policy - I am
 wondering or the real LA-Foundation is out there). Since you
 are claiming that you brought them to have a so called
 exposure, why were they given script to read and oppose?
 Don't you think that it would be wise for them to sit and
 observe how business is run? 
 > 
 > Well I am not for WAR, rather
 PEACE. 
 > 
 > By the way, it is your own fellow
 Nigerians who are reporting this mercenary business you are
 undertaking and they are feeling ashamed for you because you
 have sold your opinion. So start your war in Nigeria.
 > 
 > PEACE - PEACE - PEACE - I am only
 reporting.
 > 
 > 
 > BenjiLo
 > 
 > PS - Are you going to send your
 recruits to Jordi's Academy of Policy Writing (JAPW)? I am
 only asking - SHALOM.
 > 
 > 
 >  
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:12 AM
 Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
 wrote:
 > Dear Benjamin !!!
 > 
 > I take serious exception to your
 comment, I work in the University and part of my
 responsibility is to expose my students to the practice of
 Internet Governance and attending AfriNIC is part of it.
 Unfortunately, you or any other person does not have the
 capacity to buy my opinion.
 > 
 > If you are in the business of
 being sponsored by name withheld to destabilise progressive
 community, just typical of your kind in the West Africa
 region. I can see that is why you are supporting a sponsored
 policy.
 > 
 > ignorant of you, we have not
 supported the review policy way before Hammamet. Because we
 saw through the policy, that it is poison and clannishly
 sponsored.
 > 
 > Attendance to AfriNIC by
 sponsorship should be applauded. But if you want a war with
 benefactors of other people, I don't I have a problem with
 that, you will have the people to contend with.
 > 
 > I will clearly tell you I have
 been in AfriNIC, i am sure long before you know it. So, your
 kind cannot intimidate me by no means. When you hit a brick
 wall you tend to reduce serious business to village square
 matter. VERY TYPICAL.
 > 
 > 
 > --- Daniel
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:36 AM,
 Benjamin Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 > 
 >> Hi Daniel,
 >> 
 >>  
 >> It is true that you have been
 contracted by a certain Foundation (name withheld) to
 recruit some young Nigerians, whose trips to Hammamet were
 paid for by the Foundation, to oppose the Review policy
 during AFRINIC-29 Meeting?
 >> 
 >>  
 >> This question to is coming
 from the fact that there is a rumor going round and
 generally, there is no smoke without fire. 
 >> 
 >>  
 >> Thanks
 >> 
 >>  
 >> BenjiLo
 >> 
 >>
 _______________________________________________
 >> RPD mailing list
 >> RPD at afrinic.net
 >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
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