[rpd] Can the Board and the CEO please get in sync?

Thu Dec 6 11:32:40 UTC 2018

Thanks Alan for this clarification.

Now as we await the last call announcement from Co-Chairs, I will like to
confirm if there is a time frame between the declaration of consensus and
the announcement of last call by the Co-Chairs.

Best!
Ti</>

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 10:07 AM Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
wrote:

> Dear community,
>
> > On 6 Dec 2018, at 03:37, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> >
> > I’ve quoted two messages below which appear to contradict each other.
> One from SM (Board Member) stating that there is not yet a last call on the
> proposal in question. The other from the CEO stating that the last call
> decision was made public at the meeting and the 2 week clock for appeal
> started at that point.
>
> The decision to send the audit proposal to last call was made public on
> Thursday 29 November 2018, but the last call has not started.  The start of
> the last call is typically announced by the co-chairs several days after
> the meeting, and we are now in the gap between the decision to go to last
> call, and the beginning of the last call.
>
> The earlier message from the CEO focused on the date of the decision; the
> earlier message from SM focused on the fact that the last call has not yet
> started.  I think that both messages were accurate, but I can see how it
> may be confusing.
>
> > These two positions appear to contradict each other, is I ask that the
> CEO and the board confer and that the board respond with a single clear
> statement as to the situation. Such statement should include:
> >
> >       1.      Is there a last call now active on this proposal or not?
>
> The co-chairs made a decision to declare rough consensus in a public
> policy meeting, and to send the review proposal to last call.  The last
> call itself has not yet started; it will start only after a separate
> announcement by the co-chairs, and that has not yet happened.
>
> >       2.      When did the 2 week clock on the ability to appeal start
> ticking?
>
> If the appeal will be against the decision to declare rough consensus in
> the meeting on 29 November, then the clock started on 29 November 2018.  If
> the appeal will be against some other decision, then the clock starts on
> the date of that other decision.
>
> >       3.      In light of the amount of confusion around this issue and
> the delays in getting clarification, could we
> >               please reset the 2 week clock to start no sooner than the
> day that this clarification is provided to
> >               the community?
>
> That’s not my call.
>
> > Further, since the two quotations come from two different lists, I
> request that the clarification be sent to both lists.
> >
> > Thanks for your attention to this matter,
> >
> > Owen
>
> That’s rpd and members-discuss.  OK, I’ll send to both lists.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
> [quoted messages appended for context]
>
> > We have this quote on the members list from a board member:
> >
> >> From: S Moonesamy <sm+afrinic at elandsys.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, 5 December 2018 at 22:02
> >> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>, "
> members-discuss at afrinic.net" <members-discuss at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] PDP Co-Chair Elections
> >>
> >> Dear Andrew,
> >>
> >> My response to your question is that there was an election for the
> >> position of PDP Chair in Dakar. I read the messages on the relevant
> >> mailing list sent over the last week. There are messages about
> >> "opposing the last call" [1] on one of the proposals under
> >> discussion; there isn't any Last Call at the moment.
> >>
> >> If a Resource Member has a concern about a proposal, the Resource
> >> Member can raise it through its representative during a Last
> >> Call. There is also an appeal process for disagreements about
> >> actions taken by the Chair(s). From what I understand, a concern
> >> might be about what is written in a proposal instead of the person(s)
> >> taking the decision.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> S. Moonesamy
> >>
> >> 1. https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2018/008653.html
> >
> > We have this quote from the RPD list from the CEO:
> >
> >> From: Alan Barrett <alan.barrett at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Query on appeal
> >> Date: December 5, 2018 at 05:21:06  PST
> >> To: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Cc: "pdwg-appeal at afrinic.net" <pdwg-appeal at afrinic.net>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1 Dec 2018, at 14:04, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi PDWG Appeal Committee.
> >>
> >> I am replying because I think that the Appeal Committee may consider
> the questions out of scope for them.
> >>
> >> The policy actually says – within 2 weeks from public knowledge of the
> decision – does a pronouncement on the floor constitute public knowledge in
> a streamed meeting?
> >>
> >> Yes, the announcement on the floor of the public meeting was the
> instant that the decision became public knowledge.
> >>
> >> Secondly – I wish the PDWG Appeal committee to comment on what happens
> to a last call process if the decision to last call is under appeal pending
> adjudication.  I would assume that the last call process would be suspended
> and cannot proceed until the adjudication of the appeal has been completed,
> but I wish to have a formal clarification on this.
> >>
> >> According to AFRINIC’s legal advisor, an appeal would have the effect
> of suspending the last call process whilst awaiting the decision of the
> appeal committee on the issue of whether the Co-chairs were right or wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >> Alan Barrett
> >> CEO, AFRINIC
>
>
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