[rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy

Mon Dec 3 08:49:31 UTC 2018

Le sam. 1 déc. 2018 à 13:06, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
a écrit :

>
> I look forward to the public clarification – but I can assure you that a
> portion of documentation was corrupted and is gone – that being – all
> attachments to all applications prior to a certain date.  That means – any
> diagrams included in motivations – any supplementary documentation – any
> motivations written outside of the body of email – before a certain date –
> is all gone.
>

In staff assessment, staff did not say they don't have competence to carry
out review. It not your place as non-staff to question that. That is role
of board.

>
>
> That cannot be rectified – the data is gone – for good – and I might add
> this did NOT happen under the watch of the current CEO – he was not
> employed by AfriNIC if my timeline is correct – I am not sure if the same
> can be said for the current hostmaster.
>

Another disgraceful addition to this ongoing rhetorique: "every thing bad
with AFRINIC is due to ex CEO and ex board (any board of which we were not
member). our board/new CEO are new saviour of AFRINIC"

If what you accuse is true

i)  Is ex CEO responsible for not having discover this 3 years after he has
leave?
ii) Is it ex CEO that has fail at responsibility to disclose this loss
iii) Is it ex CEO that is the manager of current hostmaster that you have
blame

>   Quite frankly though – I have no interest in attributing blame
>

You just do exactly that above. It not first time

> – I am however curious as to how we can have an audit policy that is fair
> and equitable when one of the criterion for audit has to be the reasons
> originally clearly stated for the need for IP (the needs based
> justification) – and I can clearly demonstrate in multiple cases that such
> motivation was found in attachments and documents which no longer exist
> (based on the content of the body of emails I have that refer to said
> attachments)
>
>
>
> As such – the policy cannot go ahead in its current form – and this should
> have been picked up and stated in the staff assessment – but – the staff
> have been entirely silent on their loss of data
>

It is not job of external person to question capability of company to do it
job. CEO and his staff, have not say they cannot implement. If they cannot,
maybe this community shall consider replace all of them and find people who
can do the job of ensure resource is being use as applied for.

>
>
> Andrew
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> *From: *Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng>
> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 11:51
> *To: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Cc: *Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>, rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018, 9:40 AM Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> wrote:
>
> Timothy,
>
>
>
> AfriNIC HAS **NEVER* *publicly acknowledged the loss of a large portion
> of attachments associated with application documents.  How is it that when
> we talk about audit and staff assessment – that it does not come to light
> to the community that Afrinic does not even have a large amount of
> documentation associated with the applications that would demonstrate how
> they were applied for?
>
> This will be serious if true. I think the AFRINIC CEO should provide
> clarification to this. I will not like to be misled. Just in case this
> claim is true, has it been remedied? When too?
>
>
>
> This documentation I still maintain is critical for a fair audit that
> covers all aspects – and if you do not have said documentation for ALL
> members – to act on it against SOME members would be prejudicial.
>
> I agree with you on this, only if the above is confirmed to be correct.
>
>
>
> So to refer to staff assessment – how was THIS not brought up in staff
> assessment – and does this not put paid to the lie that the staff
> assessment in and of itself is flawed?
>
> This has to be clarified too, just only if and only if your previous
> assertion was true!
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <akin.akinfenwa at uniosun.edu.ng>
> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 11:23
> *To: *Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
> *Cc: *rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Hello Mark,
>
> See responses in-line
>
> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018, 8:52 AM Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za wrote:
>
> From what Andrew is saying - the policy should never have gone to last
> call if there have been no changes. That's how the PDP process is meant to
> work. In reality - if the whole community accepted seeing a policy for the
> second time - then fair enough - but that is NOT the case here. I strongly
> oppose this policy. I have also watched the antics of the people pushing
> this policy and I think it was extremely rude and totally out of place for
> one of their party to call someone else in the room a "visitor" -
> suggesting that that other person had no rights to be present. The person
> being subjected to this treatment provided much needed input (and policies)
> to the Policy Development Process - especially regarding IPv6 - which is
> our future.
> We should have no place for Name Calling.
>
> Not speaking for the person here, but I remembered watching it remotely
> where the said person clarified his statement.
>
> I never heard an apology either.
>
> I think you should watch again, the person apologised if his statement has
> been misinterpreted and even heard applause from the room afterwards.
>
> Anyway - I believe that the PDP Co-Chairs have made a mistake and this
> Policy has not reached a positive Consensus (actually quite the opposite to
> Positive). It should not be at last call.
>
> The Policy - if used - is also extremely dangerous to the existence and
> financial well being of the Company (AFRINIC).
> It really should be withdrawn.
>
> I thought Staff Assessment was conducted. I believe this must have been
> sorted out and necessary clarification provided.
>
> On 12/1/18 9:15 AM, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
> Sorry – I need to correct something in my email below –
>
>
>
> I said there were no _*substantive*_ changes since the last rejection of
> this policy – this is inaccurate – there were **NO** - changes –
> substantive or otherwise – zero – zip – none – as per the website which
> publishes draft 6
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 09:27
> *To: *"aleruchichuku at yahoo.com" <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>, Daniel Yakmut
> <yakmutd at googlemail.com> <yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
> <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> Aleruchi,
>
>
>
> While I agree with everything you have said – let us also be pragmatic.
> This policy is pushed by the same crowd that walked to the microphone and
> agreed at the request of the community to drop another policy, and then
> reneged on it.  This policy has been rejected, as has the soft landing
> policy, over and over again – yet the authors do not give a damn about the
> will of the community or the good of the community.  Go and watch the
> videos of the Mauritian policy meeting – you will notice the same people
> involved in what happened there are involved in this policy as well.
>
>
>
> The authors have clearly demonstrated that they care not a whit about what
> this community wants or believes is good for it, they have demonstrated bad
> faith, and shown that the only thing they care about is shoving something
> through no matter the consequence – and the co-chairs have already shown
> that they either do not understand the concept of consensus – or simply do
> not care.  Fact is – there is precedent on co-chairs being overturned on
> appeal in another RIR – and when it happened – the person who was
> overturned – ceased to be a co-chair.  These co-chairs however are
> insistent on a path that ignores the consensus process, and seem hell bent
> on forcing a situation where they are overturned – yet again – or failing
> that forcing AfriNIC into an untenable and potentially costly process
> beyond the appeal process.
>
>
>
> Reality is – there were _*no*_ substantive changes to this policy from
> the last time it was rejected – and the objections to the policy that were
> stated back then have never been withdrawn, and by lack of changes in the
> text can be clearly demonstrated to not have been addressed – this flies in
> the very face of the definition of consensus – the co-chairs however simply
> do not care.
>
>
>
> Welcome to what our PDP process has become – the bullying of the minority
> supported by co-chairs who do not understand consensus – to push through
> agendas that have zero to do with the good of the community and more to do
> with standing your ground to prove that you can.
>
>
>
> And btw – before I’m attacked – yes – I have proposed some controversial
> policies over the years – fact is – all of them were withdrawn when the
> community wanted that.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From: *aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Reply-To: *"aleruchichuku at yahoo.com" <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com> <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, 1 December 2018 at 07:02
> *To: *Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com> <yakmutd at googlemail.com>,
> Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>, rpd List
> <rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Opposing the last call made on the review policy
>
>
>
> It's very sad that this policy still lingers like a nightmare after it has
> been rejected over and over again. It has consistently bred anger and
> mistrust.
>
> Please for the sake of unity, I will advice the chairs to do what is right
> by the people. DROP THIS POLICY.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Aleruchi
>
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> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 4:15 am, Daniel Yakmut via RPD
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