[rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2

Tue Nov 27 21:26:43 UTC 2018

No problem, I think is ok, may be to keep it more open with the intent:

* In the case of IPv6 and/or ASNs, the transfer is limited to cases such as merger/acquisition/relocation of a company and/or the devices (whether physical or virtual) using those resources. Similar cases will be subjected to the AfriNIC staff scrutiny.

Regards,
Jordi

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 22:23
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
CC: Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com>, <rpd at afrinic.net>
Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2

    Perhaps devices isn’t the correct term, but I mean the hosts/nodes/whatever you want to call it whether physical or virtual.

    In other words, if the network functionality currently utilizing the resources is being relocated.

    Sorry if my hasty typing of the word devices derailed the intended meaning of my comment.

    Owen

    > On Nov 27, 2018, at 13:12 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
    > 
    > Hi Owen,
    > 
    > I think this can be a "middle-term" point.
    > 
    > So, if in the presentation the chairs allow this change and the community is supporting it, I will be happy to add to the actual text something in the line of:
    > 
    > * In the case of IPv6 and/or ASNs, the transfer is limited to merger/acquisition/relocation of a company and/or the devices using those resources. Similar cases will be subjected to the AfriNIC staff scrutiny.
    > 
    > The best place for this will be probably in between actual a) and b).
    > 
    > Note that I don't think it makes sense to move the "devices" across continents (even if it may actually happen). Probably in most of the cases they are VMs even for the routing staff, and if you relocate to another continent, it is probably cheaper to buy some/new equipment (if there is physical equipment involved), with the advantage of non-disrupting the services during the transport to the new location. However, covering the case is good and doesn't harm.
    > 
    > Regards,
    > Jordi
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > -----Mensaje original-----
    > De: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
    > Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 21:44
    > Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
    > CC: Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com>, <rpd at afrinic.net>
    > Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2
    > 
    >    I would support transfers of IPv4 resources in general.
    > 
    >    I would support transfers of IPv6 and/or ASNs if they were limited to merger/acquisition/relocation of a company and/or the devices using the resources.
    > 
    >    I do not support the unlimited and unrestricted transfer of IPv6 and ASNs.
    > 
    >    Owen
    > 
    > 
    >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:04 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Hi Owen,
    >> 
    >> Is just an example, but as you said, if that company is moving from RIPE NCC to AfriNIC (and establishing a new company here), doesn't make any sense that they keep the RIPE membership, and instead they sign the AfriNIC one.
    >> 
    >> There are many possible cases, such as if it is a division of the company responsible for the DC being sold to an African company, etc.
    >> 
    >> Regards,
    >> Jordi
    >> 
    >> 
    >> 
    >> -----Mensaje original-----
    >> De: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
    >> Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 20:08
    >> Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
    >> CC: Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com>, <rpd at afrinic.net>
    >> Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2
    >> 
    >>   Actually, Jordi, under existing RIPE policies, they don’t need to renumber unless they are looking to terminate their relationship with RIPE NCC.
    >> 
    >>   Owen
    >> 
    >> 
    >>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 09:13 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>> Hi Willy,
    >>> 
    >>> A very simple one (I'm sure there may be other examples).
    >>> 
    >>> A company moves from Europe to Africa (or moves from a DC in Europe to Africa). Never mind is the company or just the hosting service. May be because they have been acquired by an African company, but may be other reasons.
    >>> 
    >>> Without this policy they need to renumber. They may be using their own IPv4, IPv6 and AS, for example with VMs. This is today very common.
    >>> 
    >>> If they move from Europe to other regions, they don't need to renumber.
    >>> 
    >>> If we allow only transfering IPv4, then they will transfer IPv6 under the table, no doubt! It doesn't make sense.
    >>> 
    >>> So the reason for allow AS and IPv6 transfers is not because scarcity, but because networks may be dual-stacked, you need to support that.
    >>> 
    >>> By the way, thir morning I learned from Marco, the policy responsible from RIPE, that last week it was done the first ASN transfer from RIPE to APNIC. So this demonstrates, that it is a not usual case, but it happens. So why we must restrict those cases?
    >>> 
    >>> Regards,
    >>> Jordi
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >>> -----Mensaje original-----
    >>> De: Willy MANGA <mangawilly at gmail.com>
    >>> Fecha: martes, 27 de noviembre de 2018, 18:03
    >>> Para: <rpd at afrinic.net>
    >>> Asunto: Re: [rpd] Policy Proposal Update - Inter-RIR Resource Transfers v2
    >>> 
    >>>  Hi,
    >>> 
    >>>  Le 21/11/2018 à 13:47, Sami Salih a écrit :
    >>>> Dears AFRINIC PDWG Members,
    >>>> 
    >>>> The Authors of the policy proposal (Inter-RIR Resource Transfers) has
    >>>> submitted an update to the proposal document (v2). Please find the
    >>>> updates on the link below:
    >>>> 
    >>>> https://afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2018-gen-003-d2 
    >>> 
    >>>  Can we have some use case of IPv6 transfer between RIR ?
    >>> 
    >>> 
    >>>  -- 
    >>>  Willy Manga
    >>>  @ongolaboy
    >>>  https://ongola.blogspot.com/
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