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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 135, Issue 99

Andrew Alston Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
Tue Dec 19 09:06:31 UTC 2017 

Please substantiate these comments – again  this is a personal attack on me – and if you wish to cast aspersions – please substantiate them.

What personal problems do I have with who? Where do you get that from?
Monopolize IPs for rich people? Please explain that conclusion.

Either explain – or withdraw – unsubstantiated comments that amount of ad-hominem attacks aren’t appreciated

Andrew

From: grace mupoyi <gracemupoyi at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, 19 December 2017 at 03:29
To: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 135, Issue 99

Hi all,

I am reading all the mail and I am shocked deeply in my heurt.

I want to know what is Afrinic spirit. Afrinic is a personal organization????

Reading the mails it seems like Adrew have a personal issue with people at Afrinic and want to monopolize the IPs for rich peuple.

Please Afrinic members we have obligation to keep IP for all African Citizen in low cost.

Best regards
Grace Mupoyi N

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Two more petitioners (Jackson Muthili)
   2. Re: Two more petitioners (Jacob Odame)
   3. Re: Two more petitioners (Saul Stein)
   4. Re: [Community-Discuss]  Removal of a director (Dewole Ajao)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:37:57 +0300
From: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>>
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>, rpd
        <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>, "ceo at afrinic.net<mailto:ceo at afrinic.net>" <ceo at afrinic.net<mailto:ceo at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give
> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.

You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.

> I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a
> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a
> significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated
> and inaccurate prejudice

Thank you for the comment.

The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT
PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE

You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem is.

In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing
contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.

- AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)
that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a
basic human right.
- Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant  sell IPs to highest
bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most
revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case
South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would
just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.
- You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.
Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates
and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the
largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead
of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal
is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these
realities does not take them away.

J



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:53:19 +0300
From: Jacob Odame <jacobodame00 at gmail.com<mailto:jacobodame00 at gmail.com>>
To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>,
        "ceo at afrinic.net<mailto:ceo at afrinic.net>" <ceo at afrinic.net<mailto:ceo at afrinic.net>>, rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners
Message-ID:
        <CAMyo9hjekkk5ftCXJjoaM9HL5457FJe+PO8cJWLRBo2Hreh5_Q at mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAMyo9hjekkk5ftCXJjoaM9HL5457FJe%2BPO8cJWLRBo2Hreh5_Q at mail.gmail.com>>
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These arguments make sense.

*Cheers*
*Jacob*

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>>
wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> > While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and
> give
> > you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.
>
> You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.
>
> > I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a
> > racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a
> > significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated
> > and inaccurate prejudice
>
> Thank you for the comment.
>
> The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT
> PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE
>
> You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem
> is.
>
> In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing
> contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.
>
> - AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)
> that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a
> basic human right.
> - Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant  sell IPs to highest
> bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most
> revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case
> South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would
> just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.
> - You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.
> Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates
> and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the
> largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead
> of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal
> is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these
> realities does not take them away.
>
> J
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:04:32 +0200 (SAST)
From: Saul Stein <saul at enetworks.co.za<mailto:saul at enetworks.co.za>>
To: "Jackson Muthili" <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>>, "rpd"
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners
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Jackson,

I see that you too are now against this policy.



You mention your concern, as should all of ours, be about the lack of
broadband penetration in Africa, then how does limiting the access to
resources help? Preventing companies from getting resources hinders rather
than progresses the rollout of broadband.



From: Jacob Odame [mailto:jacobodame00 at gmail.com<mailto:jacobodame00 at gmail.com>]
Sent: 19 December 2017 09:53 AM
To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>>
Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net<mailto:board at afrinic.net>>; ceo at afrinic.net<mailto:ceo at afrinic.net>;
rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners





These arguments make sense.



Cheers

Jacob



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>> > wrote:

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston
<Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> >
wrote:
> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give
> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.

You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.

> I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a
> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a
> significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated
> and inaccurate prejudice

Thank you for the comment.

The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT
PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE

You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem
is.

In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing
contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.

- AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)
that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a
basic human right.
- Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant  sell IPs to highest
bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most
revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case
South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would
just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.
- You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.
Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates
and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the
largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead
of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal
is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these
realities does not take them away.

J

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:05:02 +0000 (GMT)
From: Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng<mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>,
        rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss]  Removal of a director
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Hi Badru Ntege,

Your submission in the email below (regarded as disrespectful disagreement) are against the spirit of our discussions here and within the AFRINIC community as a whole.
As a reminder, the code of conduct can be viewed at [ https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct<https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct> | https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct<https://www.afrinic.net/community/code-of-conduct> ]

Please withdraw that statement. In addition, your email account will be moderated on the rpd list for a period of two weeks. During the period for which your posts are moderated, someone will have to look at them to ensure they are acceptable before the posts are released to the mailing list.

Regards,
PDWG Co-Chairs.


From: "Badru Ntege" <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com<mailto:badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>>
To: "Sander Steffann" <sander at steffann.nl<mailto:sander at steffann.nl>>
Cc: "General Discussions of AFRINIC" <community-discuss at afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss at afrinic.net>>, "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:54:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Removal of a director

Boubaker

I can surmise it in one word ?hogwash?

Regards.

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Dec 2017, at 18:18, Sander Steffann < [ mailto:sander at steffann.nl<mailto:sander at steffann.nl> | sander at steffann.nl<mailto:sander at steffann.nl> ] > wrote:




Hi Boubakar,


BQ_BEGIN
Can someone summarize this for us? I anticipate that it will be very much appreciated.



Sure! In fact, Andrew already anticipated most of that in his email:


BQ_BEGIN
The summary though is as follows:

BQ_END

BQ_BEGIN


BQ_END

BQ_BEGIN
? YES the members can remove a director ? the process would be as follows:

BQ_END

BQ_BEGIN


BQ_END

BQ_BEGIN
? Utilizing clause 7.6.viii of the bylaws invoke an SGMM ? for the purposes of passing a special resolution to amend the bylaws to allow the community to remove a director ? and please note ? that special resolution could set the required voting percentage to remove said director at whatever they liked ? there is now low watermark ? it is subject to whatever is in the constitution (as per section 138.2 of the companies act)

BQ_END

BQ_BEGIN
? Once (a) was completed ? call a second SGMM ? for the express purpose of the removal of one or more directors ? send out the notice of said meeting with the required 14 day notice period - and then pass a resolution as permitted by the process performed in (a)

BQ_END

Many of the details depend on whether legally Resource Members are seen as shareholders of Afrinic, or if only the 9 Registered Members (= the board) are considered as such. It is a question that I honestly have no answer to, and although Andrew expressed his opinion, he does note that he is not a lawyer and would like independent legal counsel on the matter.

Cheers,
Sander


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