[rpd] Two more petitioners

Mon Dec 18 23:56:02 UTC 2017

Noah - please go and read his previous post to this list - and read this and that email together in context.

He blatantly used the term neo colonialism in the past one - there was nothing ambiguous about it

These emails need to be read together in context - he is deliberately attacking a part of the community that contributes in excess of 30% of the Afrinic revenue - he is making statements with no citation that are divisive in nature - he has accused South Africans of neo colonialism in blunt terms - and I have had enough. Is statements are drastically inaccurate and do not take into account the hundreds of millions of dollars invested in infrastructure outside of ZA.

The implications are pretty damn clear - and I am sick of it.  Are we one continent or not? Are we one Afrinic or not? Are we all African or not?

I say yes - South African - Kenyan - Tanzanian - Nigerian - Senegalese - Togo - doesn't matter - every single member pays his dues and all opinions are equal - and if we choose to divide - that is the day that any dream of a United afrinic is dead - and that is what his emails seem to seek

Andrew

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From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 6:41:37 PM
To: Andrew Alston
Cc: Jackson Muthili; AfriNIC Board of Directors' List; rpd; ceo at afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners

Andrew

Be specific, what exactly did Jackson say that "introduced a racially biased context." and in what way specifically has he made "accusations of Neo colonialism "?

Noah

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.

I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated and inaccurate prejudice

Chairs - please can this be dealt with - this individual has already made accusations of Neo colonialism with no  basis - and nothing was done - but enough is enough.

Every member of Afrinic is equal in their right to be heard - be they black or white - South African or Egyptian or Congolese or Senegalese.  The type of racial drivel and divisive language is what tears this community apart - and is totally intolerable.

Consider this an official complaint about conduct

Andrew

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From: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com<mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 14:15
Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners
To: Andrew Alston <andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:andrew.alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Andrew Alston
Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com<mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> As per attached
>
> _____________

Extract of attached petitions in quotes below and comments therein

> To: The AFRINIC POLICY DEVELOPMENT CO-CHAIRS
> RE: IPv4 Soft Landing Bis
> I, the undersigned, representing Afrihost SP hereby wish to state my clear and unambiguous
> opposition to the IPv4 Soft Landing BIS proposal, AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT-07
> I oppose this policy because I believe that the policy in its current form is harmful to the industry

Can the opposer or the convener of the opposers explain the harm that
will befall our dear industry?

> and
> irrespective of the motives of the authors, will have the effect of limiting the growth of Internet
> penetration in Africa.

According to various sources, about 13.5% of the African population
has Internet access. While Africa accounts for 15.0% of the world's
population, only 6.2% of the World's Internet subscribers are
Africans. Africans who have access to broadband connections are
estimated to be in percentage of 1% or lower.

These metrics tell a compelling story about a continent whose internet
is growing, but is still constrained through infrastructure, save for
one country that is South Africa, where all the opposers or their
convener appears to emanate. While their concerns are selfishly in the
interest of their business landscape and interests, the situation in
the other 53 countries is a far cry from the reality in South Africa.

For the internet to continue to grow, they will need affordable means
to acquire IPv4 address space for a considerable time in the
foreseeable future. Even if the IPv6 argument holds true, we have
argued on here that IPv6 is the future, yes, but Africa, South Africa,
Americas and the others are still far from that IPv6 future. We would
otherwise not be having this conversation.

For the Internet to grow in Africa and for the unconnected to still
get connected, the need to preserve IPv4 space in the registry and
still make it available to both new and existing operators is as
extremely critical as the need itself to get connected. I cannot see a
better policy to assure this than this one.

> I further believe that to lock space up in a manner that ensures that it will still be unused after the
> rest of the world has moved to V6,

If the rest of the world has moved to IPv6, AFRINIC will not have run
out of IPv6 space to dole out to our communities and businesses. They
will all just get IPv6 simple and easy.

> thereby wasting a precious African resource until such a point as
> it will be worthless is completely contrary to the interests of the African industry as a whole.

The principle is to fairly distribute the resource in a period of
scarcity, not to greedily dole it out to the wealthiest. Do not ignore
the fact that AFRINIC serves a community of 54 African countries. It
does not sell IP addresses in a capitalist free market system where
the richest take it all at the expense of the poorer. If the resource
ever becomes worthless, IPv6 would be up and running, and the
continent wins. The issue is not the *worth* or *value* of the
resource, but getting everyone connected. Do not lose the purpose of
the argument.

> Finally, I believe that this policy and its implementation are in direct conflict with section 3.4.ii of the
> AFRINIC bylaws, which reads (with particular emphasis on relevant wording indicated):
> (Under Types and Objects of the company)
> 3.4 The Company shall have, both within and outside the Republic of Mauritius, full capacity to carry
> and/or undertake any business or activity, including, but not limited to, the following objects:
> 3.4.i To provide the service of allocating and registering Internet resources for the purpose of
> enabling communications via open system network protocols and to assist in the development and
> growth of the Internet in the African region.

:-) no comment on this one

anyhoo I realized last call passed. My thoughts to the petitioners and
their convener are to show that the points in their signed document
are, although plausible in a different context, are mostly immaterial
for all intents and purposes of this proposal.

I trust in good judgement of chairs as discussions progress.

J

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