[rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)

Fri Dec 15 00:03:00 UTC 2017

Andrew and Owen,

I have been catching up with emails today and disappointed in both of you
but I cannot say I am surprised.

I would rather not comment as a co-author of the policy in question but I
do not see anyone censuring you as they should.   Mind you, this is not ad
hominem so please do not insult me by claiming it is.

The PDP may be broken but it is what we work with at this time and it is
clear yet you try to subvert it with your noise.   I paste for you

3.4.3 Last Call

A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group
Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion
mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. The Working
Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the Public
Policy Meeting during this period and decide whether consensus has been
achieved.

3.4.4 Approval

The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the AFRINIC
Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the Policy
Development Working Group. The recommendation shall include a report of the
discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last Call. The draft
policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.

Please let the Co-chairs do their job and stop harrassing them.

The recommendation and report the Co-chairs make is to the board and that
is plain to see to anyone who can read.  More importantly, these are
volunteers and don't need your nnuendos and diatribe.

I won't read your denials so don't bother.

On 15 December 2017 at 00:38, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> wrote:

> No aspertions cast - I stated “in the event that” - not that the event
> would occur :) I was careful to add that.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2017 6:35:16 PM
> *To:* Andrew Alston
> *Cc:* Sami Salih; rpd
>
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>
> I prefer for the moment to give the co-chairs the benefit of the doubt and
> assume that they were simply careless in their phrasing.
>
> I will wait until further action is taken before casting such aspersions
> or making any such accusation.
>
> Owen
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 14:24 , Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> wrote:
>
> Correct Owen - the only time the board gets a report is to state that a
> policy has passed last call and consensus has been reached and they should
> ratify.
>
> I would argue though that in the event of this policy now magically
> finding last call consensus despite the opposition - the above email
> clearly demonstrates that the outcome was pre determined and opposition be
> damned - which again is clear grounds for yet another appeal - and failing
> that - great grounds for litigation.
>
> Andrew
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2017 3:08:52 PM
> *To:* Sami Salih
> *Cc:* rpd
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>
> Is a report to the board required if the co-chairs determine no consensus
> in last call?
>
> It seems to me that pre-determining that the proposal will be sent to the
> board, especially in light of the sustained and vigorous opposition to it
> is premature at best and shows clear disregard for the PDP.
>
> Owen
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 00:31 , Sami Salih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>
> Dear PDWG,
> Good day.
>
> This is to remind you that the last call period for policy proposal IPv4
> Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07) will end in two days
> (Saturday Dec. 16, 2017) then the Co-chairs will send the report to the
> board.
>
> Regards,
>
> PDWG Co-Chairs.
>
> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> Sudan University of Science and Technology
> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> Mob: +249122045707 <+249%2012%20204%205707>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> *To: *"rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 7, 2017 8:50:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [rpd] Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>
> Dear PDWG Community,
>
> We thank you for your interaction following the AFRINIC-27 meetings in
> Lagos, Nigeria although it would be nicer to see more of constructive
> commentary than personal attacks.
>
> Following the AFRINIC Policy Development Process as outlined in Article
> 3.0 of http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/1829-afrinic-cons
> olidated-policy-manual , the proposal IPv4 Soft Landing Bis was moved to
> Last Call period for further input from the community before being passed
> on for ratification by the AFRINIC board or returned to the mailing list.
>
> For avoidance of doubt, please see portions below. Emphasis added for the
> purpose of explanation.
> 3.4.2 Public Policy Meeting
> The draft policy is placed on the agenda of an open public policy meeting.
> The agenda of the meeting shall be announced on the Resource Policy
> Discussion mailing list at least two weeks prior to the meeting. No change
> can be made to a draft policy within one week of the meeting. This is so
> that a stable version of the draft policy can be considered at the meeting.
> *The Chair(s) determine(s) whether rough consensus has been achieved
> during the Public Policy Meeting.*
> The Chair(s) shall publish the minutes of proceedings of the Public Policy
> Meeting not later than three weeks after the meeting.
> 3.4.3 Last Call
> A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group
> Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion
> mailing list. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. *The
> Working Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the
> Public Policy Meeting during this period and decide whether consensus has
> been achieved.*
> 3.4.4 Approval
> *The Working Group Chair(s) shall recommend the draft policy to the
> AFRINIC Board of Directors for approval if it has the consensus of the
> Policy Development Working Group.* The recommendation shall include a
> report of the discussions of the draft policy and feedback from the Last
> Call. The draft policy shall be ratified by the AFRINIC Board of Directors.
>
>
> For your further reference,
> Announcement of draft proposal version discussed at Public Policy Meeting:
> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/007658.html
>
> First community comment: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe
> rmail/rpd/2017/007660.html
> Second community comment: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipe
> rmail/rpd/2017/007673.html
>
> The proposal draft discussed at the meeting was published on this mailing
> list on October 1, 2017. Over an 8-week period, that document received one
> comment (and a +1) stating that the IPv6 reserve be restricted only to new
> members.
>
> We duly observed previous comments from those that oppose soft landing and
> would rather remove restrictions. This concern is addressed by the fact
> that the IP addresses under discussion were in fact handed to AFRINIC in
> 2011 under a global policy which equally redistributed the remaining IPv4
> pool amongst RIRs (effectively replacing the “on-demand” policy - despite
> the fact that other RIRs may have had greater need and demand at that
> time). Refer to Section 3 (Rationale) of http://www.afrinic.net/library
> /135-global-policy-for-the-allocation-of-the-remaining-ipv4-address-space
>
> While minutes of the meeting are yet to be published, the community may
> observe the proceedings of the session at https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=e-EIsBtenw0
> Complete meeting video playlist is at https://meeting.afrinic.net/af
> rinic-27/
>
> The policy proposal IPv4 Soft-Landing Bis remains in last call period as
> earlier announced.
>
> Thank you for your active participation as we look forward to receiving
> your comments and suggestions on the substance of the policy proposal under
> discussion.
>
> Regards,
> PDWG Co-Chairs
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"dewole" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> *To: *"rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Sent: *Friday, December 1, 2017 12:17:26 PM
> *Subject: *Last Call Announcement - IPv4 Soft Landing - bis
> (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07)
>
> Dear PDWG Members,
>
> Following discussions by the PDWG community at AFRINIC-27 during the
> Public Policy Meeting held on 30 November 2017 in Lagos, the following
> policy proposal has been moved to “Last Call”, starting today 01 December
> 2017.
>
> The last call period will be 15 calendar days.
>
> IPv4 Soft Landing - bis (AFPUB-2016-V4-001-DRAFT07) - moves to last call
> with the following minor modifications:
> Reword 5.4.7.1 to remove specific reference to “XLAT translators”
> Add “including IDN ccTLDs” to 5.4.7.5.3
> Current Version: https://afrinic.net/en/communi
> ty/policy-development/policy-proposals/2247-ipv4-soft-landing-bis-
>
> The Last Call period will end on 16 December 2017.
>
> PDWG Co-Chairs
>
>
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