[rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy

[Christian Ahiauzu]

Hi Andrew,

On Dec 3, 2017 5:59 AM, "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:
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> On the contrary Badru,
>
> They have chosen to send their thoughts to the RPD - they are following
the process - and having their voice heard on the policy list.
>

Yes. They are having their voice heard on the RPD, but the question is, if
they haven't signed up on the RPD, are they hearing other peoples voices?

Remember, you are either participating on the RPD, or at the face to face
meeting which is the climax of the PDP process. I wonder if these "ISPs"
have been following the discussion on the list, and how the decisions where
taken. I have no problem with someone protesting or appealing the decision
of the co-chairs. However, they should give themselves the benefit of the
doubt and participate in the processes that climaxed to the final rough
consensus.

> What the pdp says is that thoughts should be heard on the list - or at
the microphone - nowhere does it state that communication to the list
cannot be formal - nowhere does it state it cannot be in a pdf - nowhere
does it state that it cannot be signed.
>
> The process is being followed - the communication is via the RPD list -
and if this violates the process please can someone point to chapter and
verse as to where in the process?  Once I have it I will go back to the
larger block and explain to them that Afrinic’s process has decided to try
and implement a policy that could damage their businesses and this industry
while at the same time refusing to let them be heard on the issue - in the
forum they were meant to be heard in - because they chose to do it via a
signed letter rather than get abused on a list with vague statements of
Neo-colonialism and such.
>

Going back to a "larger group" and explaining to them things, may not be
the right way to go. Why should they not hear for themselves and judge for
themselves. What is wrong with them signing up for a list and participating
for themselves. With all due respect, I really think they should sign up on
the List and even if they wish to put up a signed document, they are free
to do so. My personal opinion please.

> Be curious to see how that plays out
>
> Andrew
>
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> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:56:04 AM
> To: Andrew Alston
> Cc: Alan Barrett; Afrinic RPD
>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
Landing Policy
>
> Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen to use a channel
out of the RPD then other members could see it as noise.
> Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with information and
discussion in the RPD.
>
> Let’s not innovate creative channels.  There processes to introduce
change if members wish to introduce petitions.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:
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>> There is nothing that *requires* it – there is also nothing that forbids
it.
>>
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>>
>> There was a discussion in various forums about how to handle this – and
various ISP’s have opted to rather sign the petition document and have to
forwarded to the list by a single individual – they wish to partake but do
not wish to put up with the noise on this list, so, they are choosing to
express their views in their own way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since each of them is a paying member, and each of them is impacted by
policy, I believe they should be free to express their views in any way
they wish, and if that is by signing a petition document and having someone
else send it through to the list, I hardly see a reason to stop it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
>> Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37
>> To: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
Landing Policy
>>
>>
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>>
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>> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:
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>> > Please see attached.
>> >
>> > By agreement I will be sending these signed documents through as they
come in from the various parties.
>>
>> I don’t know what agreement you mean.
>>
>> I am not aware of anything in the policy development process or the
appeal process that requires signed documents similar to those I have seen
in the past day or so. If people have objections to a policy proposal, I
would suggest that they follow the existing process and make their comments
in the RPD mailing list.
>>
>> Alan Barrett
>>
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