[rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS

Wed Aug 9 21:30:03 UTC 2017

The problem I see with your proposal here, Andrew, is that you would limit policy authorship to those who are or are working for service providers which I think would violate the bylaws, the PDP, and certainly the spirit of an open process.

Owen

> On Aug 7, 2017, at 03:03 , Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
>  
> I don’t have an issue with this – I was also thinking, perhaps we need a policy that says that any policy must have at least one author on it that can clearly demonstrate their own v6 deployments, to customers, not just in the core and not just an announcement? 
>  
> Andrew
>  
>  
>  
> From: Mark Elkins [mailto:mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>] 
> Sent: 07 August 2017 12:47
> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS
>  
> I believe this is largely influenced by how Telkom SA works. Getting
> IPv6 connectivity from them is not easy (I believe it should be
> automatic). They certainly do not provide IPv6 over the aDSL - thus
> other people copy them. Disappointing.
> 
> If I could make a simple change to Policy, when a (prospective) LIR
> talks to AfriNIC to obtain numbering resources:
> 
> 1) If one has no AfriNIC resources - one can ask for them by any
> connectivity method (IPv4/IPv6). A first request for IPv4 should
> probably also include a request for IPv6. Perhaps one would have to
> provide justification in order to not also get IPv6?
> 2) If the LIR has IPv4 resources but no IPv6 resources - the LIR can
> only ask AfriNIC for IPv6 resources (presumably via IPv4).
> 3) If the LIR has IPv6 address space - then all requests to AfriNIC must
> be made from the LIR's own IPv6 address space.
> 
> i.e. Policy that encourages LIR's to use IPv6.
> 
> On 07/08/2017 11:23, Andrew Alston wrote:
> > Basically, Saul is correct.
> >
> > Again, most FTTH providers are using a form of "naked" FTTH, as in, they don't control the OLT's and the backend infrastructure. The IPOE/PPPOE side of things is controlled by a relatively small number of players and they need to v6 enable.
> >
> > In our case - we are fortunate enough to control not only the fiber, but the OLT's, ONT's and BRAS equipment - basically - we own the infrastructure end to end - making v6 turn up relatively simple.
> >
> > Yes, they can proxy off the radius authentication to other providers to enable an IPC style environment - but until they actually support V6 across that - things are going to be a problem. Right now - we need a way to find a way to convince certain companies (who I am resisting naming here) to v6 enable so that v6 can actually happen. 
> >
> > And here is the thing - denying IP space to anyone - isn't going to help, because it's not the providers getting the v4 address space or being denied the v4 address space that are in the driving seat here - it’s the big providers. And I know, someone is going to turn around and say, well, use another provider. Guess what - right now - *NONE* of the providers who have this infrastructure are doing it - so the option isn't really there (yet).
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Saul Stein [mailto:saul at enetworks.co.za <mailto:saul at enetworks.co.za>] 
> > Sent: 07 August 2017 12:05
> > To: Andre van Zyl <vanzyla at bcxcomms.net <mailto:vanzyla at bcxcomms.net>>; Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
> > Cc: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: RE: [rpd] IPv4 Soft Landing BIS
> >
> > Hi Andre,
> >
> >> They are indeed an ADSL provider, and what you say around DSL in SA is 
> >> correct. However, they are also a hosting, and an rapidly expanding 
> >> FTTH operation, and by >your own feedback FTTH is an area where IPv6 
> >> can be and is successfully deployed.
> > Sadly this is not true... while there are one or two FTTH companies that can, the big national guys that own the fibre in the ground don’t support it, so the ISPs can't supply it. :-(
> >
> > Saul
> >
> >
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