[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jul 11 12:20:51 UTC 2017

Hi there

The RIPE and ARIN review policy fundamentally different from the ones
proposed here.

Both of theirs aiming at keeping the accuracy of the registry, and none of
them allows:

1.anonymous reporting

2. recourse deregistration from active members

So even though this resource deregistration policy might have same "review"
name as RIPE and ARIN one, the real difference makes them not even
comparable.

It's very much like saying because other nations are selling apples so it's
ok we start selling heroins, it's all about sell a product isn't it? except
the one you try to sell here is lethal.

With regards.

Lu

On 11 July 2017 at 14:10, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:

> just one question : do you guys know arin and ripe financial capability?
> in comparison to the weakest of all RIR? Think properly and cut emotions
> else guys do what you want and when afrinic is hit hard then do notl look
> back i hope the only 1500 we have also cheating our own system can bail
> afrinic out.
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> +1 omo
>
> I am sure these have been discussed here, but latest discussions on this
> list made me check the situation in other regions and I found the following:
>
> ARIN
> ====
> INRs review
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve
>
> Fraud and abuse reports
> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/
>
> Quarterly report
> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/
>
>
> RIPE
> =====
>
> Audit Activity
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423
>
> Report form
> https://www.ripe.net/report-form
>
> This is an important role for RIR, so not surprising it is done elsewhere
> and can be done by AFRINIC with all risks managed and mitigated. This is
> becoming a must when we all seem to agree the future of RIR is in “Registry
> Accuracy”.
>
> Best regards
>
> Honest Ornella GANKPA
>
> Le 11/07/2017 à 09:27, Omo Oaiya a écrit :
>
> Owen,
>
> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will
> respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The
> fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.
>
> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the
> community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries
> even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.
>
> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a
> policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job
>
> Omo
>
> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> Sami,
>>
>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more
>> than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that
>> this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs
>> to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or
>> abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason
>> for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy
>> has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses
>> the community.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Andrew and Community,
>> >
>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than
>> two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to
>> be concluded.
>> >
>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consoli
>> dated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess
>> >
>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the
>> legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final
>> assessment of the legal advisor today.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>> > Mob: +249122045707
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>> Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>> >>
>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>> >>
>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count,
>> last
>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof
>> will be
>> >> declared for this last call period please.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net]
>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>> Number
>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy
>> under
>> >> reference.
>> >> Regards
>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>> >> Legal Adviser
>> >> AFRINIC
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Lu
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