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[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

David Hilario d.hilario at
Thu Jun 29 08:22:32 UTC 2017

On 29 June 2017 at 10:22, ALAIN AINA <aalain at> wrote:
>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 07:04, Nishal Goburdhan <nishal at> wrote:
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:56, Tutu Ngcaba <pan.afrikhan at> wrote:
>>> On 27 Jun 2017 6:10 p.m., "Nishal Goburdhan" <nishal at> wrote:
>>> or,  said earlier, audit everyone.  equally.  no member is more special than any other.
>>> and small members are just as guilty of resource abuse as large ones.   something that's been said before but the author's haven't ack'd.    :-/
>>> Woooza  bra,
>>> but this must be the case for sure. no one shall be special at all and for i know its review for all who it applied at the time and shall be for all the people who the afrinic given ip address from the big one to the small one. I agree like this.
>> i'm glad you agree.
>> except, that's not what the policy text reads.
>> i don't have a problem with audits;  but do it across the board (if at all).
>> -then- determine, if, resource wise, this is useful, or not.
> The proposal  defines 3 classes:
> - random : limited to certain level of membership
> - reported
> But  also
> ***
> 13.3.2 Selected
> A member is selected because of an internal report or due to a lack of contact between the AFRINIC and the member.
> *****
> This class allows the review of  any member which according to AFRINIC does not comply

The "random part" is still there with its limitations and still makes
the process biased towards certain class of members.
This makes it biased on certain class of members only, therefore not
impartial, that is the problem.

>>> if small have idle they must return it. if big have idle they must also returned it. they the afrinic shall give the one who also need also instead of big or small keeping idle for so so long.
>> that's not going to happen;   the "transfer" policy removed the incentive to do the "Right Thing”.
> The intra-RIR transfer policy allows a ressource holder to transfer idle space to meet another member >IPv4 need  approved by AFRINIC. Otherwise  you should return idle  to AFRINIC or be forced by an >review.

You just described a worst case scenario I had not even considered possible.

If this is indeed the interpretation for this policy proposal it only
further confirms it should just be aborted.
Just out of curiosity, can AFRINIC "randomly" open a review during or
shortly after the transfer process?

So we are allowed to transfer space, but if we declare that transfer
interest to AFRINIC, AFRINIC rejects the transfer for X reason
(expected recipient doesn't manage to qualify), the space will be
reclaimed by the AFRINIC!
Now if that doesn't trigger legal actions for compensation claims by
the members I don't know what will.

> —Alain
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