[rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"

Thu Apr 13 06:35:52 UTC 2017

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On 13 April 2017 at 14:29, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> I have been following this thread but I think I may have been saying
> things a little lightly so let me be a little bit frank here. I wonder what
> "balance"(as Kris puts it) we are looking for as this isn't just a policy
> that should pass in any manner or form! We are here talking about internet
> shutdown implications (like Tamon indicated), is anyone really considering
> implications for AFRINIC as an organisation, yeah you heard me right.
>
> Imagine this policy passes and then it gets implemented in say Mauritius,
> ofcourse AFRINIC will loose her welcome by default (or you think govt that
> has the gut to shutdown internet will not retaliate). So we then move to
> another country which could also have shutdowns as well. I have no idea why
> we think we can discipline or get govt to behave with an RIR policy like
> the one being proposed. It's just a fantasy at best; "who made us
> lords over the govt" comes to mind easily. What resources do we have to
> see implementation of this proposal through? Go with this policy and try to
> implement it, then you will know AU can unite on certain issues. AFRINIC
> should then probably start looking for a home outside the region ;-)
>
> We are here claiming that by withdrawing/banning IP resource from govt
> entities will put them off the internet, well maybe temporarily but I can
> assure you that one of those ISP that may add +1 to this policy (including
> authors) will provide a solution to the govt, just that it will be a
> solution that further breaks the internet (most likely NATing), so what
> will we have achieved in the long run? Well I already listed some of them
> in my previous post. One thing I did not add is that we would have
> significantly severed whatever little relationships with various government
> and her establishments that AFRINIC currently has.
>
> Going forward I do not feel what we are even discussing here should
> continue as we seem to be giving ITU folks more exhibit to convince govt to
> look for other alternatives elsewhere (anyone who can recount happenings
> within ICANN in the last few years will know why this is a bad idea) so I
> would highly recommend a withdrawal of this policy. However the substance
> of the policy which is the shutdown should be an agenda item to discuss at
> upcoming AIS. The following question comes to mind:
> What more role can AFRINIC play in fighting against internet shutdowns
> (such role should !=policy)
>
> Regards
>
> On Apr 13, 2017 5:51 AM, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Badru
>>
>> Thanks I have to say I agree with you. As pointed before I appreciate the
>> thought and the feeling that something needs to be done but I am not in
>> personal favor of the actions presented in the policy.
>>
>> We should be able to find alternatives to how we look at this but if you
>> look at my views I am not encouraging the actions proposed but t sure we
>> need to find a way of balance somewhere in between.
>>
>> That's my take on the situation or policy presented. I am for the
>> thinking that has gone in but am not quite totally for the section which
>> proposes hard actions. I fell we can as community find something that
>> tackles the situation but in a more hard but gentlemen way that does not
>> put afrinic as a policing position.
>>
>> All I* are working towards freedom and net neutrality as an outset. So am
>> sure we can find and fix the actions and be open minded to our decisions.
>>
>> So again am partly in support go the policy more so to the ideology but
>> the actions proposed does not help anyone long term. But am sure the
>> community will strike a good balance.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>> On 13 Apr 2017, at 00:36, Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Kris
>>
>> On 4/12/17, 8:52 PM, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> We should not also forget Egypt at what happened their. As much as we
>> hide our faces these will never get sorted by there ownself. I am not
>> saying that we need to act so forcibly but something that puts government
>> on guard and respect people rights.
>>
>>
>>
>> To some people and many who lost their loved ones in Egypt the same
>> government is still in power wearing a different hat.  So if a policy like
>> the one being proposed were passed and some voices wanted AfriNIC to
>> trigger clause 13.1.  How would this play out. ???
>>
>> We need to be very cautious.  I know many might even be offended by the
>> above paragraph which is the exact point about subjectivity.
>>
>> We had a shutdown in Uganda during the last elections and the security
>> organs have a mountain of what one could call subjective evidence to
>> justify what they did.  I cannot judge either way but in their position
>> with the evidence and knowledge they had at the time they thought they were
>> doing the right thing and still defend that position.
>>
>> I know for sure the same is going to happen in a number of other
>> countries whether or not we have a policy in place.
>>
>> There are allot more important things that Afrinic should be worrying
>> about.
>>
>> I’m sure there is some policy at the UN or AU we can send this policy
>> text to
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> After all no government would want to be told that they are offline
>> because some "Company Ltd" based somewhere in the middle of the Indian
>> Ocean has switched them off (no offence Kris, to the Star and Key of the
>> Indian Ocean... just wearing the hat of some typical African dictator :-).
>>
>> This section is worth some thinking on a longer run! Thanks Walu!
>>
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> @arsenebaguma
>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> After all no government would want to be told that they are offline
>> because some "Company Ltd" based somewhere in the middle of the Indian
>> Ocean has switched them off (no offence Kris, to the Star and Key of the
>> Indian Ocean... just wearing the hat of some typical African dictator :-).
>>
>>
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