[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Fri Apr 7 18:06:17 UTC 2017

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for ipv6 traffic 

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Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
Sudan University of Science and Technology
Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
Mob: +249122045707 

----- Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org> wrote:
> Hello Alain,
> my intention was not to insult IPv4 fans .
> 
> I put on the other hand all the amazing work AFRINIC training team is
> doing and I am sometimes disapointed when I see no v6 traffic after one
> year from many sites especially universities. They should not be
> concerned by v4 stuff in my humble opinion ..
> 
> 
> Le 06/04/2017 à 16:44, ALAIN AINA a écrit :
> > Hello Willy,
> > 
> > IPv4 is not functionally obsolete as it is still performing. IPv6 is
> > supposed to technologically obsolete IPv4.
> > 
> > Usually in case of technologically obsolescence, although having the
> > latest and best is appealing, it is sometimes, or even often, better
> > to push old technology to its limits than to feel obligated to invest
> > in the new. We seem to be facing that.
> > 
> > So it is coming, but in the meantime, lets stop insulting IPv4 and
> > its fans :-)
> > 
> > —Alain
> > 
> > 
> >> On Apr 6, 2017, at 5:54 AM, Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Alain,
> >> 
> >> Le 05/04/2017 à 20:30, ALAIN AINA a écrit :
> >>> 
> >>>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Le 03/04/2017 à 13:50, Noah a écrit :
> >>>>> Elkin, [...] Meanwhile lets promote more IPv6 adoption for
> >>>>> those already with address space.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Agree at 100% . Could I add : «adoption AND usage» .
> >>>> 
> >>>> I naively don't understand why many people are so relunctant to
> >>>> use v6 on their network :) and I find this battle around v4 a
> >>>> waste of time and energy.
> >>> 
> >>> I also had this impression, that by now everybody should have
> >>> been v6 and amending v4 softlanding policy would have been an
> >>> easy game.
> >>> 
> >>> Looks like they refuse to listen to what Gary Feldman told them
> >>> in 2007. See whois -h whois.ripe.net POEM-RIPE55-SONG
> >>> 
> >>> In reality, v4 is still hardly needed and has become an asset for
> >>> some.
> >> 
> >> Why ? IMHO the only reason I see this interest to v4 is *business*
> >> and ignorance (but on the latter more and more trainings are
> >> organised over the years) .
> >> 
> >> At least if it was business opportunities for all the layers in
> >> AFRICA , I'd have understood a little bit. But that's not the case.
> >> v4 profits to a little niche and it will continue to profit to some
> >> entities only.
> >> 
> >> Speaking specifically to universities and corporate customers : WHY
> >> do people consider that they cannot work with IPv6 ? Why people do
> >> not want to end the life quickly of v4 ? Why do you want to stay in
> >> your «pseudo» comfort zone ? ;) Even for governments, it will be
> >> very useful to use v6 because identication will be easier to
> >> achieve ... You should carefully think about it ...
> >> 
> >> A lot of people have already been trained on v6 ... So what next ?
> >> What is your transition plan ? Have you already start it ? I do not
> >> trust statements where it's said that people need (a lot of ) v4 in
> >> order to plan v6 deployment. The truth is : start v6 is easier than
> >> what it would have been 10 years ago. The first step is
> >> committment.
> >> 
> >> Of course, v6 path is not perfect, they are issues but at least it
> >> works in various cases. More and more issues can be adressed if
> >> more people jump in the wagon.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I support all initiatives who favor rapid depletion of v4 address
> >> and at the same time enforce v6 adoption and usage within africa .
> >> 
> >> I will be rude but I think existent member should not continue to
> >> ask v4 prefixes. That should not be the way forward. They should be
> >> reserved for new members only; at the condition that their network
> >> will use v6 very soon.
> >> 
> >> On another field the community should think about this : What if
> >> we deploy v6 links and use it to communicate between us in Africa
> >> ? Are you afraid of losing links with people in other continents ?
> >> I may be wrong but all the major players use v6. I am in favor of
> >> even throw away most (if not all) our last /8 and help all african
> >> countries develop their v6 networks. (I know it's rude)
> >> 
> >> While we are stuck on a «battle» between two draft policies who
> >> will lead us nowhere at that level, I suggest to the community to
> >> discuss about this : v4 is like a gold mine as long as we will
> >> continue to keep it in a safe. Its scarcity will profit to a little
> >> fraction of people be it in Africa or outside. With v6 the wealth
> >> will not be on the distribution of address but on the services who
> >> will raise because of its large possibilities.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- Willy Ted MANGA Responsable Technique Régional | DACGL 
> >> https://www.auf.org/bacgl
> >> 
> > 
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> -- 
> Willy Ted MANGA
> Responsable Technique Régional | DACGL
> https://www.auf.org/bacgl
> 