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[rpd] rpd Digest, Vol 96, Issue 29
Owen DeLong
owen at delong.com
Tue Sep 23 22:54:07 UTC 2014
Ata,
With all due respect, I think your message shows several fundamental misunderstandings of the process and events in question.
1. AfriNIC can only issue the type of resources requested when issuing resources. This has been the policy and procedure since
inception. A requestor who comes to AfriNIC and requests an ASN will get an ASN or nothing. Similarly with a request for an IPv4
allocation or assignment, and/or an IPv6 allocation and/or assignment. AfriNIC does not have the ability to substitute one type of
resource for another.
2. The resources were requested by an organization properly constituted in the AfriNIC service region. The organization in question
filed all of the required documentation with their request. The request was reviewed according to the policies as adopted by this
community and found to be a valid request according to those policies. As a result, the resources were issued.
AfriNIC does not have the ability to make it up as they go along, nor do they have the authority to deny a request that conforms to policy any more than they have the authority to issue a request which does not comply with policy.
The hostmasters must be able to act in good faith in making such determinations to the best of their ability and we as a community must accept their judgment. If we believe they have erred in a particular case, there are mechanisms for reporting that belief and having the management and/or the AfriNIC board further investigate the situation.
If you believe that the request was fraudulent or otherwise failed to comply with AfriNIC policy, then you should raise those concerns to AfriNIC management and see what is revealed in the subsequent investigation.
If you dislike the policy or believe that additional policy that would have prevented such an allocation is needed, then you should propose new policy language through the PDP (which takes place largely on this list) and work to achieve community consensus around that proposed policy. AfriNIC staff and management do not make policy. They implement policy that is made by the community. The board is only allowed to make policy in very exceptional circumstances and such policy modifications are subject to subsequent review by this community.
I’ve provided brief answers to each of your points in line in case you find this longer text difficult to follow.
Owen
On Sep 22, 2014, at 4:28 PM, ata <psmata2g8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Excuse brevity and typos,
> I am sincerely getting disappointed at the management of AfriNIC. Not only is our resources being abused as a subject matter but also the trust entrusted to management. Highly disappointing. Are there not lots of IPV6 address space that could have been issued by AfriNIC for investors in Africa who have followed the due process?. So why the IPV4 address space.
1. Yes.
2. Because that is the type of resource requested by the organization in question.
> With the era where we are advocating for the use of IPv6 address space. Can any one explain to this noble community why AfriNIC did not issue IPV6 instead of the chunk IPv4 address space issued and its spamming scandal?
Because AfriNIC can only issue the type of resource requested by the organization. There is no policy allowing AfriNIC to provide IPv4 in response to an IPv6 request or vice versa. If you believe such policy should exist, please propose it here.
> Or Perhaps are we transitioning the functions of AfriNIC or AfriNIC stewardship Transition or accountability or transitioning from actual trends to another. We do believe that AfriNIC management is meant to serve this community. We need answers.
I’m afraid I was unable to parse this portion of your message. I have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. I apologize for my apparent ignorance.
> Questions work answering !
Do you mean “Questions worth answering”?
Thanks,
Owen
>
> Truly African,
> Ata Redeemer
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> Subject: rpd Digest, Vol 96, Issue 29
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> 1. Re: [afnog] A typical case of abuse of
> our resources!!!
> (Noah Maina)
> 2. Re: [afnog] A typical case of abuse of
> our resources!!!
> (Noah Maina)
> 3. Re: [afnog] A typical case of abuse of
> our resources!!!
> (Kofi ANSA AKUFO)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:54:28 +0300
> From: Noah Maina <mainanoa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] [afnog] A typical case of abuse of our
> resources!!!
> To: Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net>
> Cc: AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> AfriNIC List
> <rpd at afrinic.net>
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> On 20 September 2014 23:41, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Boubakar,
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 23:28 PM, Boubakar Barry <boubakarbarry at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> The number of posts in this thread and the
> discussions held in Djibouti
>> show that the community wants clarification on this
> allocation.
>>>
>>> In the best interest of our organisation (i.e.
> AfriNIC) and in order to
>> restore trust, Management and Board should take this
> seriously and provide
>> adequate responses to the issues raised.
>>
>> This allocation has followed the same process and
> procedure as any other
>> requests sent to the IP analysts. In term of
> application and interpretation
>> of the current policy nothing in this one was
> different. I think the RS
>> team will be sending all the clarifications on the
> process shortly. Beyond
>> that, I think there is a lot of emotional speculation
> that we need to avoid
>> to be dragged into ��as you said in the interest of
> the organisation.
>>
>> Hello Adiel,
>
> So to be precise, Whether i need a /24 or /12 what
> matters is my
> justification on how I will use it (backedup with full
> documentation) and
> if i do justify, then the IP analyst, hostmaster and whoever
> is involved in
> the chain of approval, will go a head and issue my
> assignment since the
> current policy is in line with that.....
>
> Key word....JUSTIFICATION....so meaning the folks whose /12
> is being
> questioned herein, must have justified their request and the
> assignments
> was done.... and if tomorrow I dont actually use up the
> assignment as I
> indicated initially, then that is different story!!!!
>
> Right?
>
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - a.
>>
>
> ./noah
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> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:56:26 +0300
> From: Noah Maina <mainanoa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] [afnog] A typical case of abuse of our
> resources!!!
> To: Ernest <ernest at afrinic.net>
> Cc: AfriNIC Discuss <members-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> AfriNIC List
> <rpd at afrinic.net>
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> On 21 September 2014 11:22, Ernest <ernest at afrinic.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Adiel Akplogan wrote thus on 9/20/14, 11:41 PM:
>>> Hello Boubakar,
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 23:28 PM, Boubakar Barry
>>> <boubakarbarry at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>> The number of posts in this thread and the
> discussions held in
>>>> Djibouti show that the community wants
> clarification on this
>>>> allocation.
>>>>
>>>> In the best interest of our organisation (i.e.
> AfriNIC) and in
>>>> order to restore trust, Management and Board
> should take this
>>>> seriously and provide adequate responses to
> the issues raised.
>>>
>>> This allocation has followed the same process and
> procedure as
>>> any other requests sent to the IP analysts. In
> term of
>>> application and interpretation of the current
> policy nothing in
>>> this one was different. I think the RS team will
> be sending all
>>> the clarifications on the process shortly. Beyond
> that, I think
>>> there is a lot of emotional speculation that we
> need to avoid to
>>> be dragged into ��as you said in the interest
> of the
>>> organisation.
>>
>>
>> Further to Adiel's mail above:
>>
>> We have studied the community's concerns and comments
> (in this
>> thread) regarding the address resource 154.80.0.0/12
> that was
>> allocated to Cloud Innovation on 2013-Jul-24.
>>
>> Although we cannot divulge detailed information due to
>> confidentiality requirements, let us take this
> opportunity to point
>> out the following:
>>
>> o The request was received and evaluated as usual,
> against
>> compliance with all criteria in the IPv4 Allocation
> Policy and it
>> fully satisfied all eligibility requirements.
>>
>> o Being a large chunk of space, the hostmaster team
> provided an
>> evaluation report to executive management (which
> contained the
>> evaluation process and the team�� recommended
> decision on the
>> request). Management consequently approved its
> issuance.
>>
>> o The current IPv4 allocation policy does not contain
> any
>> restrictions to out-of-region address space usage
> specifically when
>> end-users of that space are located out of region. What
> IP analysts
>> examine is the legal existence of the requestor (and
> its
>> infrastructure that supports services to be provided)
> in the region.
>> Where customers are located is generally not the IP
> Analysts main
>> concern unless there is observed incoherence in the
> request.
>>
>> o We have in the past few meetings informed the
> community (in the
>> policy implementation report) about the observed
> increase in
>> requests from companies registered in our region of
> service (with
>> evidence of their infrastructure hosted in the region)
> but
>> planning to provide services that are used by customers
> out of
>> region. We informed the community with intent that the
> community
>> considers a policy around this issue if deemed
> necessary.
>>
>> We would like to state here that as long as a request
> has adhered to
>> policy, AFRINIC will in most cases approve it, unless
> there are
>> other visible factors impeding its approval (and
> needing further
>> study and perhaps escalation).
>>
>>
> ++1 Ernest and thank you for this clarification......
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Ernest.
>>
>> ./noah
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> From: Kofi ANSA AKUFO <kofi.ansa at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] [afnog] A typical case of abuse of our
> resources!!!
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
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