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[afnog] [rpd] Re: A typical case of abuse of our resources!!!

Omo Oaiya omo at
Tue Sep 23 12:39:48 UTC 2014


It is easy enough to say the "community" does not participate and this may
be true but the "community" also needs to feel its voice can be heard.  We
also don't all have to be involved in policy making to see the obvious.

Policies are only ideas. It is the implementation that counts and quite
often the spirit is as important as the letter.   Writing yet another
policy does not necessarily fix the issue.  Some of the policies that have
been suggested have outcomes that are satisfied by the requirements for
justification in existing policies.  What we perhaps need to revise is our
understanding of the content and contexts of existing policies.

Btw, thanks to the staff for reverting and even if process was followed as
implied, a /12 is an odd million addresses and remains a million anyhow you
shake it up.   An innovation that requires this many addresses in today's
African Internet is not likely to be missed by the pundits.   Would be nice
to see the utilisation that convinced staff .... Mr Lu has not been able to
revert on the funny domains with random letters and no website.  Can anyone
help him?

<Speaking as myself ... inline with the latest trends >

Best wishes


On 22 September 2014 19:40, Victor Ndonnang <ndonnang at>

> Hi Andrew,
> Thank you for your clear input. I can't agree more with you on that. It is
> not just about saying this is good or bad; It is about getting involved and
> help make things better and more globally acceptable.
> But efforts are needed on both sides:
> -The interested stakeholders in the community should take time to learn
> the process, understand it and help change what is imperfect... Policies
> are there to evolve.
> - Afrinic as a community driven organization should continue doing more
> efforts to have more people in the PDP process.
> Best regards,
> Victor.
> ************
> Victor Ndonnang
> <>
> ~Sent from my iPhone~
> On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Andrew Alston <
> Andrew.Alston at> wrote:
>  Disclaimer: Speaking in my personal capacity and not representative of
> the AfriNIC board or any other organisation/company to which I am
> affiliated.
>    > Very few people are involved in AFNIC policy development process and
> sometimes, they just develop a policy to support what they want or like
> rather than developing policies that really support the
>    > development of the Internet in Africa.
>    Victor, this is true, but it is by choice that individuals do not get
> involved in the PdP, since it is an open body.  Year after year I have
> stood at PdP meetings and we get people in the room, lots of them, but when
> it comes to discussions about policy on the PdP list, I would be amazed
> there are more than 15 or 20 people who actually get involved and talk on
> there on a regular and sustained basis.
>  This has been spoken about MANY times.  But I say this, it is like an
> election in a country, if the community does not choose to partake in the
> PdP lists, and does not choose to get involved in the formulation of policy
> (and the modifications to policies they aren't happy with etc), then they
> have absolutely zero right to complain afterwards if the policies that are
> put in place do not meet their needs.
>  My message to the community, if you feel the current policies aren't
> working, or you aren't happy with them, write new ones, go to the PdP, and
> if the rest of the community is in agreement with you, your amendments/new
> policies will get passed, if they don't pass, listen to WHY the community
> isn't passing them, and either change your position or modify so that the
> community is happy with them.  Basically: Take some responsibility for the
> policies that are out there, since you, as a community put them there,
> either through showing consensus at a meeting, or through apathy that
> stopped you objecting to them) and you as a community have the chance to
> change them.
>  Just my thoughts
>   *Andrew Alston*
> Group Head of IP Strategy
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