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[rpd] New proposal - "Out-Of-Region Use of AFRINIC Internet Number Resources" (AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01)

Jackson Muthili jacksonmuthi at
Mon Jul 7 08:38:24 UTC 2014

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:32 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2014, at 04:21 , Frank Habicht <geier at> wrote:
>> Hi Jackson,
>> On 7/5/2014 10:14 AM, Jackson Muthili wrote:
>>> Your view can be challenged on two grounds.
>>> 1. Region internet penetration is still low. Same time potential for
>>> growth is still high. Internet still powered by Ipv4 regardless of
>>> IPv6 hyperbole. I don't care if western and other world is migrating
>>> into Ipv6.
>> I wish someone (Owen) would make a much more attractive v6 content service.
>> and:
> Such as?
>>> If
>>> those region who run out are still buying Ipv4 all over it tells you
>>> the picture of Ipv6 migration state.
>> they probably only need v4 to access your email or webserver. all else they
>> use v6 for.
> Almost all of the IPv4 purchases I am aware of have been by organizations that have adopted IPv6, but are trying to cope with the need to connect with other organizations that have not yet done so. This is the "tragedy of the commons" that is currently afflicting IPv6. Implementing it on your network doesn't benefit you as much as it benefits others who implement IPv6. For you to benefit, you need the others to all implement IPv6.
> However, the good news is that if we all implement IPv6, then we all benefit from it. Eventually, this will happen. When was the last time you bought a pre-recorded cassette tape in a store (instead of a CD)? Right now, we still have cassettes (IPv4) and CDs (IPv6) on the shelves in most stores. Soon, the cassettes will sell out. There are no more cassettes being made. Yes, there is a market starting to develop in used cassettes, but used cassettes are costing more than new cassettes do today and will continue to increase in price. CDs, OTOH, are virtually free. There is no valid case to be made that buying used cassettes will allow you to avoid buying a CD player. There is good evidence to suggest that waiting much longer to start buying CD players will cost a lot more than buying them now.
>>> You are right. Therefore let those legacies companies start their own
>>> registry and whois services and remove their IPs from the services of
>>> Afrinic and use their own? If your answer is no then stop closing your
>>> eye to fact that a service received MUST be paid for.
>> Then please start paying these companies for doing us the great service of
>> starting up an internet even before you were connected to it.
>> I'm pretty glad they are ok with a mere "thank you" from me and charge me
>> for their time and effort inventing things like DNS etc which I consider
>> pretty useful.
> In reality there is so little legacy space actually in AfriNIC region that I think this argument is beyond pointless.

In relative term it is not little from context of Afrinic scale given
what numbers I saw before.

>>> Keeping your
>>> legacy information in whois services costs registry money but you want
>>> it for free I fail to see how you support this???
>> Starting up something called "AfriNIC" also did cost some money to RIPE NCC
>> and probably others/ Have you seen what they invoiced us?
> Can we focus on the actual policy issues and move away from reductio ad absurdum regarding trying to extort money from a small number of people getting a very tiny free ride?

It is not extortion. A service need to be paied for.

If number of those legacies is small no problem. How many are they can
Afrinic say the number of them?

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