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[rpd] Discussion about e-voting
Nii Narku Quaynor
quaynor at ghana.com
Fri May 16 15:34:50 UTC 2014
Andrew's concerns are relevant. After having read from CEO perhaps a word from Afrinic lawyer and Board would help
However, with only few weeks to Djibouti we might focus on policy related matters to advantage
> On May 15, 2014, at 21:04, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Let me start this email by saying I do not know the details of this case,
> nor do I know the individuals involved.
> That being said, this exchange of emails has raised some very interesting
> questions that I feel AfriNIC needs to answer. Let it be stated very
> clearly that I am not taking any sides here but the situation referred to
> in the previous emails does have impact on the entire African community,
> since there seems to be a large amount of space that has walked off the
> continent. So, here goes with the questions.
> 1.) I have been repeatedly informed that large allocations are checked and
> signed off by the board, based on what is said here, is AfriNIC admitting
> that the board failed in the checks which they have very plainly stated
> are done on large allocations
> 2.) Raised from an earlier point about AfriNIC requesting ID documents for
> certificates in order to electronically vote. Considering that (as stated
> in previous emails), AfriNIC does not require such documentation for any
> other transactions, and considering that AfriNIC has not given the
> community ANY information about the data storage and security, and in
> addition the fact that the certificates are issued to individuals, and the
> ID documents are issued to AfriNIC by individuals with absolutely no
> confidentiality agreements or NDA¹s in place (effectively meaning that
> should the documents get leaked, there is absolutely no recourse against
> AfriNIC), this situation raises some VERY serious concerns.
> Irrespective of the facts or the rights and wrongs of this case, what
> AfriNIC is effectively saying here is, we had an individual that broke the
> rules, bypassed our checks and balances, hoodwinked the board that had to
> sign off the allocation and effectively committed a criminal offence. In
> the same breath, they are saying, give us documents which we will not
> state how we are storing, how we are going to use, and with no guarantees
> of confidentiality. On a continent with such rife identity fraud and
> identity theftŠ let me be bluntŠ this REALLY scares me!
> 3.) Considering that AfriNIC has in documented cases requested access to
> members equipment, and such requests have come from members of the IP
> evaluation team, and such access has in certain cases been granted (in one
> case I know of by someone who was not really authorised to grant such
> access), can AfriNIC comment on how many members have granted them access
> to their equipment, and what did AfriNIC do to safe guard any data pulled
> from that equipment.
> Irrespective of all the facts of the case at hand, right now, I can only
> say that the situation raises very serious questions about the checks and
> balances in place and the security mechanisms in place, and I really feel
> that the membership base should be demanding some very concrete answers
> and reassurances.
>> On 5/15/14, 6:36 PM, "Adiel Akplogan" <adiel at afrinic.net> wrote:
>> Hello Kofi,
>> Now, as I was expecting your engagement with this list to evolve into
>> this very specific case that you have also alluded to on other lists
>> before, I think the community deserve some further explanation of who you
>> are and what all this is about. This specific case is also connected to a
>> complain that has been field for investigation with local and
>> international law enforcement for possible link to criminal activities.
>> That is on the way and there are many details that we can not reveal here
>> but in which you have been identified by the police as one suspect.
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 17:25 PM, Kofi ansa akufo <kofi.ansa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yes there are many specific cases I need the community to take a close
>>> look. Unfortunately as a former resource evaluation manager I am bound
>>> by NDA by AFRINIC.
>>> I site one specific case which applicant has brought to my attention
>>> which I need the community's support.
>>> Scenario: A prospective member applies to be a resourced member of
>>> AFRINIC. His application gets approved after COMPLYING with policy.
>>> AFRINIC billing department issues two invoices namely i.) Initial Setup
>>> Fees $4000 and ii.) Annual Membership Fees $12,800 as well as
>>> Registration Service Agreement (RSA). There are NO payment deadlines on
>>> both invoices neither does any staff member of AFRINIC communicate such
>>> to applicant.
>> You forgot to mention that it was YOU Kofi, as then staff of AFRINIC and
>> IP Analyst who has evaluated this very specific application, and this, in
>> an expedite way during the last days of your notice period. We later
>> understood that you had a clear conflict of interest in this application
>> as it doesn¹t take long after you left the organisation that you start
>> inquiring about the case and not long after be appointed by this same
>> applicant as their consultant to represent them for the application. What
>> do you think about that?
>> We have carefully reviewed this specific case internally and noticed how
>> that conflict of interest has played in the way you even handled the
>>> Nevertheless the applicant proceeds to sign the RSA which outlines a
>>> contractual agreement between AFRINIC and the applicant. Applicant
>>> further proceeds to make payment of initial setup fees of $4000 and
>>> request for annual membership fees to be paid in parts due to recent
>>> Forex transfer restrictions in country of operation. AFRINIC denies the
>>> request for payment in parts although they allow that in certain cases
>>> as stated on their website.
>> As ex-IP analyst at AFRINIC you should better know the internal policy
>> use to approve split membership fees payment (when it accepted and when
>> it is not). Seems like your 12 months working at AFRINIC has not given
>> you enough knowledge of our internal process as you seems to be claiming
>> and selling it to all your new "customer(s)".
>>> The applicant request an invoice update due to elapsed time (2 months)
>>> and AFRINIC never responds to the request.
>>> AFRINIC staff respond to member on the 89th day of a so called "90
>>> days" period in which application needs to be finalized. This 90 days is
>>> not published anywhere in policy, website or communicated to applicant
>>> during the application process. Nevertheless again the applicant
>>> responds that they are awaiting invoice update before payment.
>>> AFRINIC staff finally respond that the application has expired contrary
>>> to what is defined in the executed RSA and further tell applicant the
>>> initial setup fees of $4000 paid is non-refundable and that applicant
>>> needs to put in a new application.
>> Well we have thoroughly reviewed the whole process of this specific
>> application and a communication will reach the applicant soon (as you are
>> their appointed consultant you should see a copy).
>>> These are some of the kinds of frustration applicants face with certain
>>> staff members who refuse to stick to policies as well as contractual
>> You are completely misrepresenting the case and of course some members
>> will be frustrated if instead of being honest and straight, they try to
>> play the system and find themselves cornered by the Hostmaster team. And
>> you as Ex-IP analyst trying to collude with such people who are trying to
>> abuse the system is even worse and I think the community should be aware
>> of such behaviour. This unfortunately explain why the team has became
>> more and more demanding for each application. This unfortunately impact
>> genuine applicants. But with people like you and alike around we will
>> have no choice.
>>> All that is needed in such a situation for AFRINIC team is to reissue
>>> an updated invoice and enquire if the has been any changes in the
>>> applicants IP resources requirement. If there has been any changes
>>> request applicant to update IP address plan but NOT to tell the
>>> applicant to resubmit a whole new application again when applicant was
>>> not notified of any deadlines during application.
>> Too much confusion from your side about the process. Proof that you have
>> not even learn anything while working here beside trying to understand
>> how to play the system from inside.
>>> So is this specific case justified for fellow community members to
>>> rally behind and knock on the doors of the CEO and AFRINIC to ask why
>>> the consequence of inefficiency on the part of certain staff and
>>> procedures in AFRINIC should be borne by a member :)
>> That is a distraction tactic, diverting the attention of the community
>> elsewhere so you and you allies get away with your maneuver? AFRINIC is
>> an organisation that is based on honesty and you can not full a whole
>> - a.
>>> On May 15, 2014 2:49 PM, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Kofi,
>>> Let me say a few personal words below
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Kofi ansa akufo <kofi.ansa at gmail.com>
>>> I draw typical examples below;
>>> 1. The core activity of AFRINIC is managing internet resources for the
>>> Region. What is seen now is more or less a passive approach to
>>> evaluation of prospective members for resources. AFRINIC staff makes it
>>> difficult to get resources
>>> Hmm...maybe we should say the community makes it difficult, considering
>>> that staff will only follow community developed policy to allocate
>>> resources. Nevertheless i am not even sure that difficult is the right
>>> word to use here. Perhaps if you have specific concerns of scenarios
>>> where you meet all the requirement and it still seem difficult to get
>>> the resource, then you could share with the community and we can go
>>> banging on the doors of staff with placard ;-)
>>> YET when resources are granted there is little or no follow up
>>> processes to check if it is even being used in the region. A quick check
>>> in the whois database of AFRINIC indicates a /13 IPv4 that was issued
>>> last year which is not even used in the region. Lost of job creation
>>> opportunity on the continent.
>>> +1 with this, and i so much agree with you that there needs to be a
>>> better way to retain major part of our IP within our region, not just
>>> retaining but also seeing it used and empowering people in this
>>> continent; Our resources needs to drive our continent development. We
>>> all should to remember that AFRINIC among all the RIRs has the least
>>> number of IANA assigned /8 V4.
>>> The fact that we have the least of IANA allocated /8 among all the RIR
>>> has also recently placed us on top of all other RIRs as the region with
>>> most available v4 addresses. However we are at this present status-quo
>>> not because we don't have the population to consume the resource but
>>> because either the population is not enabled to consume it OR does not
>>> want to. The latter is the immediate reason; if most mobile networks go
>>> native public v4 you can bet that IP addresses we have left will be
>>> exhausted. I will liken this situation with our mineral resources;
>>> Africa is blessed with mineral resources, however most of the resources
>>> are shipped out of the continent with its refined produce imported back
>>> into the continent. Something similar is already happening in the IP
>>> space in that the resources are shipped abroad and we get connected to
>>> our IP (outside the continent) at our own expense.
>>> Okay enough of trying to describe the situation we currently are. The
>>> most important question is what is the way forward.
>>> The way forward is for the community to look at the existing policies
>>> used by AFRINIC to issue resource with the aim of "tightening possible
>>> loose ends" towards ensuring that the IP resource benefits the region.
>>> There are areas of concern that were presented by staff during afrinic
>>> 18, i think that could be a good starting point. While there is
>>> another f2f around the corner, i encourage everyone to take up this
>>> challenge by looking at our existing policy and proposing an update or
>>> even an entirely new proposal. Some of this can be discussed at the
>>> upcoming f2f meeting
>>> Solution: the very IP resources we seek to manage is evolving in a
>>> technology which is dissolving geographic barriers. AFRINIC should then
>>> be seen as a key partner for our region to ensure that infrastructures
>>> are established in our region to create jobs through standard policies
>>> which will continuously monitor the activities and link or tie
>>> prospective investors to the region rather than turn them off or
>>> frustrate them and later grant them huge chunks of resources to be used
>>> outside the region.
>>> While one can definitely not determine/restrict how a member should use
>>> his/her IP resource, one could set certain requirements before granting
>>> the resource and those could be related to infrastructure presence,
>>> organisation activity history in Africa et all. All these can be
>>> reflected in a policy, i again call on the community to stand up to this
>>> challenge. The CEO has also recently indicated this concern in his
>>> statement  and calls for urgent attention of the community for v4 and
>>> v6 deployment in Africa.
>>> 2. AFRINIC currently adopts "see the trees from the forest" approach
>>> with respect to training programs (e.g. IPv6 training). There are
>>> currently more than three active Research and Education Networks (REN),
>>> Association of African Universities (AAU) as well as African Network
>>> Operators Group (AfNOG) - specialized groups. What I see as a better and
>>> far reaching impact is to collaborate with these groups to tailor
>>> curriculum and draw standards. Follow up with program monitoring and
>>> audits. I believe this should NOT be a long term goal. IPv6 awareness
>>> and adoption will have being considerable high.
>>> 3. Again the RIR should be seen playing a regulatory role. Recent years
>>> has seen considerable internet exchange spring up each with their own
>>> operating guidelines for membership and peering. What AFRINIC should be
>>> doing is to collaborate with key stakeholders (governments, submarine
>>> cable providers, service providers through AfNOG) to draft various
>>> standards and architectutes to be adhered to. (for example encourage
>>> distributed / or linked national and regional exchanges.
>>> I think there are efforts in the areas mentioned above, nevertheless i
>>> agree that more efforts needs to be put in place. However there is a
>>> saying that; "you can only take a horse to the river, you can't force it
>>> to drink water". There are quite many service provider that are aware of
>>> the need to go v6 and that also know the disadvantage of NATing (to be
>>> an incentive to deploy native v4 as much as possible) however they ain't
>>> doing that because they havn't see the demand. So for me i think we will
>>> experience a boost if we improve support of Africa content
>>> development/initiatives that are IP demanding (internet of things) which
>>> will change the demand of end users.
>>> One will argue how does this approach impact AFRINIC members directly
>>> and increase meeting turnout and subsequent voting participation?
>>> It can either impact it positively or negatively depending on the rules
>>> and guideline we have provided. Afrinic will be 10 but its still
>>> relatively young and we need to start setting policies that will make it
>>> sustainable and more community driven.
>>> Kind regards
>>> On May 15, 2014 6:05 AM, "Adiel Akplogan" <adiel at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>> On May 15, 2014, at 24:26 AM, Kofi ansa akufo <kofi.ansa at gmail.com>
>>>> Hello Adiel and All
>>>> Interesting discussion.
>>>> Forgive me to play the devils advocate for a while - few questions
>>> below regarding the immediate past election for board members.
>>>> 1. What was the total votes casts?
>>>> 2. How many votes were cast as proxy votes?
>>> See my previous mail for the above.
>>>> 3. How many individuals voted more than once due to being associated
>>> to more than one member?
>>> 8 out of 45. Knowing that all board members (registered members) that
>>> are also valid contact of resource members get 2 votes.
>>>> 4. What was the total active members as at the time of opening voting?
>>> About 750 members. This data can be dynamically checked at:
>>>> 5. How many votes were cast through ballot paper at the election?
>>>> 6. Do we have a minimum number of votes casted (%) relative to the
>>> number of active members to determine dismissal or approval of the
>>> That is not set anywhere. but for the past year we have been dealing
>>> with around 10% ratio. Which as I mentioned in my previous mail is
>>> relatively the same thing for all RIRs. So even though we are aiming at
>>> better, we are not an exception (with the ressou=rces we have).
>>> - a.
>>> Seun Ojedeji,
>>> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
>>> web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
>>> Mobile: +2348035233535
>>> alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
>>> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
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