[rpd] Discussion about e-voting

Wed May 14 20:48:28 UTC 2014

Hello Owen,

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:35 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> I would propose that sitting board members being present on NomCom or
>> ECom is not a problem.
>
>
> Maybe not but i suggest as liason role as much possible (more like an
> observer role)
>
>
> Not sure what you mean by this. To me, the NomCom’s job is done before the
> ECom’s job begins.
>

If nomcom job is done before Ecom, the nomcom guideline will not put nomcom
in supervision of Ecom's activities on election day.[1]

NomCom’s job is to produce a viable slate of candidates and provide that to
> the ECom so that they can begin the election process. The document output
> from NomCom can easily be transmitted to ECom by AfriNIC staff.
>
> Nope, i think you missed the fact that nomcom coordinates/supervise
election process to the point of announcing candidates that were voted
for.

>
> Chairmanship also not a  problem.
>>
>
> This definitely is what i will not give a +1 on. However chairmanship to
> board on nomcom could remain as an alternate backup plan for nomcom chair
> (as per the current bylaw) nevertheless such should not happen with Ecom.
> As a matter of fact i don't see why we need a chair for Ecom, since there
> is already an election coordinator. However if we must, then it should not
> be board member but someone within staff or non-board member (but AFRINIC
> member in good standing)
>
>
> Agreed… The eCom chair should be the Election Coordinator, that makes
> sense to me.
>

Good to know ;)

Thanks!
1. http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom

>
> Owen
>
>
>
>> However, in no case should the NomCom and Ecom overlap,
>
>
> +1
>
>> nor should there be any possibility for anyone who is a candidate in the
>> relevant election to be a member of either committee.
>>
>> This is already covered in the bylaw and i don't think it has ever
> happened before.
>
> Regards
>
>>  Owen
>>
>> On May 14, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Nii and all,
>> >
>> > I think some aspects need to be clarified. The decision of what is in
>> the Election Guideline is taken by the Board (and has been published for
>> comment before final ratification and use). The fact that Mark has these
>> three functions comes from a recommendation of the guideline that if the
>> NomCome fail to select a Chair among themselves within a certain period,
>> the reps from the Board will be appointed (that is where the problem starts
>> from). And in all fairness (as observer on the NomCom list), he (mark) has
>> been reluctant right from the beginning to wear that hat until he was
>> “forced” in by the other NomCom members. Now the real problem here is to
>> review that part of the guideline and prevent the NomCom to be chaired by a
>> Board member.
>> >
>> > NomCom chair also chairing the Ecom: here again it is something that we
>> have done last year (on my suggestion as there was no specific
>> recommendation anywhere for that). The reason behind that is to balance the
>> composition of the E-Com as per Article 10 of the Bylaws with someone from
>> the community with the idea to increase transparency of E-com work (…
>> without at the same time adding additional cost to the process if we had to
>> have an additional new volunteer from the community who we have to pay
>> travels for etc …). In their report, the 2013 NomCom has requested the
>> board to formalise that practice. that is what was done in the current
>> guideline (and will be proposed as revision to bylaws as well).
>> >
>> > So I guess the concern is heard and the board is watching this and is
>> open for suggestions so to improve the process
>> >
>> > Thank you all.
>> >
>> > - a.
>> >
>> >
>> > On May 12, 2014, at 23:34 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gee, I now understand why I never got an answer to a very simple
>> question on who decides....
>> >>
>> >> Sounds like a corporate governance challenge
>> >>
>> >> On May 12, 2014, at 19:18, Bope Domilongo Christian <
>> christianbope at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Speaking on my own capacity:)
>> >>>
>> >>> Following the discussion on rdp, I feel there is also a balance
>> issue, whereby the one person wearing three hat (Nomcom chair, chair
>> election committee, Board member) and am a bit confuse. For the sake of
>> check and balance, as in happen in the normal election process, it will
>> normal that the chair of election committee ought to be not a board member
>> just as electoral commissioners are independent of parties.
>> >>>
>> >>> With best regards,
>> >>> christian
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Kofi ansa akufo <
>> kofi.ansa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Mark
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for pointing out the voting procedure for individuals with
>> multiple votes.
>> >>>
>> >>> What I am driving at is the integrity of the votes cast and how it
>> fairly represents the diverse community.
>> >>>
>> >>> Member entities should be encouraged as much as possible to
>> participate in the election process as well as being ptesent in meetings
>> instead of encouraging proxies be it they understand "AFRINIC politics" or
>> NOT to vote for multiple representatives.
>> >>>
>> >>> I believe the community can do better by exploring how to map
>> entities eligible to vote to the electoral system to involve the diverse
>> community.
>> >>>
>> >>> cheers
>> >>>
>> >>> Kofi.
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 12, 2014 7:55 PM, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 18:42 +0400, Kofi ansa akufo wrote:
>> >>>> Dear All
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. I am currently curious how individuals representing more than one
>> >>>> registered and / or resource member currently proceeds to casting
>> >>>> votes online.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have posted on this subject a few postings ago....
>> >>> I am perhaps a perfect example of this scenario.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Does the person login with the same nic-handle or different
>> >>>> nic-handles to cast multiple votes respectively?
>> >>>
>> >>> The same NIC handle and Password to the same account.
>> >>>
>> >>> Once in, there is a drop-down box to allow the representative (me, in
>> >>> this case) to 'switch' to which ever entity I need to represent or
>> >>> manage.
>> >>> This is a very convenient way of managing different entities.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If by nic-handle wouldn't it be easy for voters to be identified by
>> >>>> the entities the represent (e.g. organisation ids) at least as a
>> >>>> secondary check prior to login to vote.
>> >>>
>> >>> Generally, it is the entity that is the Member, not the person with
>> the
>> >>> NIC-Handle.. more correctly, it is the entity's voting representative
>> >>> who can vote. There may be more than one person per entity who is
>> >>> enabled to use that privilege, but there is only one vote per entity,
>> >>> for example "Resource Member".
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> I ask this because this will facilitate implementation of dispensing
>> >>>> machine for paper ballot sheets for those not able to exercise
>> >>>> e-voting based on logic and eliminate ending one voting option before
>> >>>> the other as well as human errors. Obviously NOT in the coming 2014
>> >>>> elections but later.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> 2. Going forward IMHO I think we should discouraged multiple voting
>> by
>> >>>> an individual for different members since the probability of voting
>> >>>> differently is low and this only goes to increase votes across one
>> >>>> side only. A "polished form" of election rigging. I know some will
>> >>>> argue one can still like gin with different credentials and vote one
>> >>>> sided but then :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could someone from the community enlighten me on this please.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm a Director of multiple, independent companies each with their own
>> >>> resources and each members of AFRINIC in their own right. My fellow
>> >>> Directors may prefer me to do all the voting because I understand a
>> fair
>> >>> amount of the 'Politics' of AFRINIC. Are you suggesting I should not
>> be
>> >>> allowed? That will not make them happy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Board Members have a Vote. If they also represent a resource Member,
>> are
>> >>> you going to disenfranchise them that direct resource vote???
>> >>>
>> >>> As you almost suggested, all I need to do then is sit down with
>> various
>> >>> collogues and have them login to my-afrinic and cast their vote
>> >>> according to my suggestions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your suggestion will achieve inconvenience.
>> >>>
>> >>> Simply creating extra NIC-Handles should not work as AFRINIC requires
>> >>> the official Identity of everyone who wishes to use the e-voting
>> >>> system.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Posted on my own behalf - representing multiple AFRINIC resource
>> >>> members.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Kofi
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
>> >>> mje at posix.co.za       Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
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