[rpd] Discussion about e-voting

Wed May 14 19:41:57 UTC 2014

Hello Owen,

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> I would propose that sitting board members being present on NomCom or ECom
> is not a problem.

Maybe not but i suggest as liason role as much possible (more like an
observer role)

Chairmanship also not a  problem.
>

This definitely is what i will not give a +1 on. However chairmanship to
board on nomcom could remain as an alternate backup plan for nomcom chair
(as per the current bylaw) nevertheless such should not happen with Ecom.
As a matter of fact i don't see why we need a chair for Ecom, since there
is already an election coordinator. However if we must, then it should not
be board member but someone within staff or non-board member (but AFRINIC
member in good standing)

>
> However, in no case should the NomCom and Ecom overlap,

+1

> nor should there be any possibility for anyone who is a candidate in the
> relevant election to be a member of either committee.
>
> This is already covered in the bylaw and i don't think it has ever
happened before.

Regards

>  Owen
>
> On May 14, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear Nii and all,
> >
> > I think some aspects need to be clarified. The decision of what is in
> the Election Guideline is taken by the Board (and has been published for
> comment before final ratification and use). The fact that Mark has these
> three functions comes from a recommendation of the guideline that if the
> NomCome fail to select a Chair among themselves within a certain period,
> the reps from the Board will be appointed (that is where the problem starts
> from). And in all fairness (as observer on the NomCom list), he (mark) has
> been reluctant right from the beginning to wear that hat until he was
> “forced” in by the other NomCom members. Now the real problem here is to
> review that part of the guideline and prevent the NomCom to be chaired by a
> Board member.
> >
> > NomCom chair also chairing the Ecom: here again it is something that we
> have done last year (on my suggestion as there was no specific
> recommendation anywhere for that). The reason behind that is to balance the
> composition of the E-Com as per Article 10 of the Bylaws with someone from
> the community with the idea to increase transparency of E-com work (…
> without at the same time adding additional cost to the process if we had to
> have an additional new volunteer from the community who we have to pay
> travels for etc …). In their report, the 2013 NomCom has requested the
> board to formalise that practice. that is what was done in the current
> guideline (and will be proposed as revision to bylaws as well).
> >
> > So I guess the concern is heard and the board is watching this and is
> open for suggestions so to improve the process
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > - a.
> >
> >
> > On May 12, 2014, at 23:34 PM, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Gee, I now understand why I never got an answer to a very simple
> question on who decides....
> >>
> >> Sounds like a corporate governance challenge
> >>
> >> On May 12, 2014, at 19:18, Bope Domilongo Christian <
> christianbope at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking on my own capacity:)
> >>>
> >>> Following the discussion on rdp, I feel there is also a balance issue,
> whereby the one person wearing three hat (Nomcom chair, chair election
> committee, Board member) and am a bit confuse. For the sake of check and
> balance, as in happen in the normal election process, it will normal that
> the chair of election committee ought to be not a board member just as
> electoral commissioners are independent of parties.
> >>>
> >>> With best regards,
> >>> christian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Kofi ansa akufo <kofi.ansa at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for pointing out the voting procedure for individuals with
> multiple votes.
> >>>
> >>> What I am driving at is the integrity of the votes cast and how it
> fairly represents the diverse community.
> >>>
> >>> Member entities should be encouraged as much as possible to
> participate in the election process as well as being ptesent in meetings
> instead of encouraging proxies be it they understand "AFRINIC politics" or
> NOT to vote for multiple representatives.
> >>>
> >>> I believe the community can do better by exploring how to map entities
> eligible to vote to the electoral system to involve the diverse community.
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> Kofi.
> >>>
> >>> On May 12, 2014 7:55 PM, "Mark Elkins" <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2014-05-12 at 18:42 +0400, Kofi ansa akufo wrote:
> >>>> Dear All
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. I am currently curious how individuals representing more than one
> >>>> registered and / or resource member currently proceeds to casting
> >>>> votes online.
> >>>
> >>> I have posted on this subject a few postings ago....
> >>> I am perhaps a perfect example of this scenario.
> >>>
> >>>> Does the person login with the same nic-handle or different
> >>>> nic-handles to cast multiple votes respectively?
> >>>
> >>> The same NIC handle and Password to the same account.
> >>>
> >>> Once in, there is a drop-down box to allow the representative (me, in
> >>> this case) to 'switch' to which ever entity I need to represent or
> >>> manage.
> >>> This is a very convenient way of managing different entities.
> >>>
> >>>> If by nic-handle wouldn't it be easy for voters to be identified by
> >>>> the entities the represent (e.g. organisation ids) at least as a
> >>>> secondary check prior to login to vote.
> >>>
> >>> Generally, it is the entity that is the Member, not the person with the
> >>> NIC-Handle.. more correctly, it is the entity's voting representative
> >>> who can vote. There may be more than one person per entity who is
> >>> enabled to use that privilege, but there is only one vote per entity,
> >>> for example "Resource Member".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I ask this because this will facilitate implementation of dispensing
> >>>> machine for paper ballot sheets for those not able to exercise
> >>>> e-voting based on logic and eliminate ending one voting option before
> >>>> the other as well as human errors. Obviously NOT in the coming 2014
> >>>> elections but later.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 2. Going forward IMHO I think we should discouraged multiple voting by
> >>>> an individual for different members since the probability of voting
> >>>> differently is low and this only goes to increase votes across one
> >>>> side only. A "polished form" of election rigging. I know some will
> >>>> argue one can still like gin with different credentials and vote one
> >>>> sided but then :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Could someone from the community enlighten me on this please.
> >>>
> >>> I'm a Director of multiple, independent companies each with their own
> >>> resources and each members of AFRINIC in their own right. My fellow
> >>> Directors may prefer me to do all the voting because I understand a
> fair
> >>> amount of the 'Politics' of AFRINIC. Are you suggesting I should not be
> >>> allowed? That will not make them happy.
> >>>
> >>> Board Members have a Vote. If they also represent a resource Member,
> are
> >>> you going to disenfranchise them that direct resource vote???
> >>>
> >>> As you almost suggested, all I need to do then is sit down with various
> >>> collogues and have them login to my-afrinic and cast their vote
> >>> according to my suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> Your suggestion will achieve inconvenience.
> >>>
> >>> Simply creating extra NIC-Handles should not work as AFRINIC requires
> >>> the official Identity of everyone who wishes to use the e-voting
> >>> system.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Posted on my own behalf - representing multiple AFRINIC resource
> >>> members.
> >>>
> >>>> Kofi
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark James ELKINS  -  Posix Systems - (South) Africa
> >>> mje at posix.co.za       Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
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