[AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call

[Badru Ntege]

Andrew

please note I'm allowed to discuss on this list in my individual capacity.   

But what I'm trying to do for all is to encourage open thinking and to allow for synergy.  however passionate one is towards a policy lets not be blind to some of the weak points of the policy and if really we have the good of the entire community at hand we should be prepared to openly ask the questions.  

Being Chair does and should never mean that I'm the Almanac of all AfriNIC and internet policy.  I have enough Humility to say that i do not know everything and i have no problem saying here on the list.   We should all be open to share and learn from each other.  

What some members are saying is that your policy however good intentioned it is needs some modifications.  I also think Alan(APB) did point that changes can be made to a policy during last call.  

If you look at all my posts you will find that though i have clearly stated that I'm not in support I'm asking us to think deeper and wider at what areas can make this proposal palatable to the whole community.

From an AfriNIC point of view the questions that need to be asked regardless of floor consensus i believe would be as follows 

What is the effect of this proposal on the sustainability of AfriNIC ???

Does the proposal enable Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration for the whole community ??

is the proposal Technically Sound and in line with generally acceptable practice  ??

My issue is that we all take one of two positions.  we either fight the proposal or blindly support.  I want us to look for the third alternative.  Look at some of the points raised by members and see how we can take all points and create a proposal even better than the original proposal.  

if our intention is deeply genuine which knowing yours and Sundays passion i do not think we should rush the proposal for the sake of last call.  Lets honestly look at the options.  

if you saw the list sent out you will see that in Uganda only RENU seems to have a resource i would like more HEI's in my country to have the resources but would not like to have this at the expense of breaking the current system.  I do not think it is in the spirit of the internet and it's policies. 

So all I'm asking once again is that with a bit of humility and all your technical and community spirits lets step back look at the policy in its entirety and openly find that third alternative that will bring the community together.

regards 

BN (in my individual capacity)




 



On Jun 26, 2013, at 6:47 PM, Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com> wrote:

> Badru, I would oppose these changes in the last call period (Other than the ratio, which we have always openly stated is a point for further negotiations and hence I believe that can be changed within the confines of last call)
> 
> We took a policy to the floor for consensus, the consensus was granted, and the agreement from the floor was that THAT policy  with modifications as requested on the floor go to last call.
> 
> To change the policy to add additional elements would not be what we had agreed with the community in that room, and that was to table what was put before them.  We have to act within the policy and within the remit granted to us by the floor in Zambia, that is how the process is designed and how it is meant to work.  Further changes to the policy would have to go back to the floor at a subsequent meeting, and to change the policy and not proceed to last call and create a delay like that after committing in front of the community to taking the policy to last call with the changes they requested would in my view be disingenuous.  If this policy does not pass last call then we can relook at that then.
> 
> I would ask that you, as Chairman of Afrinic, respect the Afrinic process as defined.
> 
> Andrew
> 
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> From: Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug>
> Date: Wednesday 26 June 2013 5:02 PM
> To: Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com>
> Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call
> 
> So sunday 
> 
> Are we prepared to change other areas like bring back some level of network justification.  Some how re-align with current practice as opposed to breaking all current practice ???
> 
> 
>   
> On Jun 26, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Badru, This is progress.
>> Thank you Badru. Perhaps we should return to the initial proposal of 3:1 before the invention of photoptab.
>> Mme Maye, what sayest thou?
>> Sunday.
>> On 26 Jun 2013 15:05, "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:
>>> Though totally not in support of the policy of allocating by numbers.  If this can make us start looking at this policy to make it more acceptable 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Sunday Folayan <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  > ii) his focus on south region without any provision of equity;
>>>> This statement has been addressed over and over. Indeed it cares more for the other regions with lower entry barrier. We can lower the ratio to 3:1, 2:1 even 0.5:1 if you will .... but you are not even proposing anything!!
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would propose  2:1  and would also be more stringent in that the entity must have infrastructure in place and also an existing or planned uplink to the internet within 2 months of allocation.
>>> 
>>> Also i would expect stricter due diligence since we are proposing very subjective measures and criteria for allocation.
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
> 
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