[AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions

[Andrew Alston]

Lets look at this one by one based on past history which we attempted to
resolve over multiple attempts (and will provide the documentation), based
on previous requests:

university backbone infrastructure will need x resources because of ŠŠŠ

<AFRINIC>
Number of ports on a network does not show concurrent utilisation, so we
will pick an arbitrary number to assign you
</AFRNIC>

labs will need these resources ŠŠŠ..
<AFRINIC>
Your labs are only likely to be X% full at any point, so we will pick an
arbitrary number to assign you
</AFRINIC>

halls of residence have this number of occupancy rate and will need ŠŠŠ

<AFRINIC>
Š see aboveŠ
<AFRINIC>

And then finallyŠ.

> each student will be allowed one BOYD device with connectivity ŠŠŠ

SAY WHAT?  No University anywhere is going to restrict the number of BYOD
per person.  That would be impossible to enforce, and it would be COMPLETELY
counter productive.  Different devices have different purposes and are used
as such.  Smart phones are everywhere, tablets are used often for reading
research materials and notebooks are used for working on.  Who is AfriNIC to
dictate something like that or ask the Universities to dictate something
like that.  That is nothing short of INSANITY.

> what is so difficult to offer this information ?????

That is what is so difficult, and I am prepared to show documentation of
over 3 MONTHS of attempting to educate and deal with this situation in the
past year.  Countless emails, education, dialog etc.  I will even produce an
email trail when in a desperate attempt one university attempted to
compromise with AfriNIC who refused a compromise based on allowing the
university to prove their need where they would get half the space upfront
and if they could prove 100% utilisation they would get the other half,
under the same application fee (which it would have been the same fee
because it was the same size category).  AfriNIC refused this and said they
would have to apply again to get the rest. There was even an offer on a time
limit to prove this concurrency.

The bottom line is, the current evaluations and policies are ENTIRELY
subjective as it, this policy helps to move that subjective evaluation back
into the hands of the University who actually knows and understands its own
environment far better than any member of afrinic staff ever will.

Andrew


> 
> Average wifi concurrency on a University I looked at recently was 3.2 per
> person, add the university infrastructure and lab pcs etc, you are running at
> a 5:1 or greater right there.  This has nothing to do with a student having an
> IP for life, and I don't know how you come to that conclusion, dynamic ip
> assignments, if the population is on campus the IP's will be being used or you
> will run out of leases.  Sorry, but your argument fails to hold up to
> technical scrutiny.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> From:  Badru Ntege <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug>
> Date:  Wednesday 26 June 2013 4:08 PM
> To:  Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke>
> Cc:  <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject:  Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions
> 
> Kennedy 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke> wrote:
> 
>> Badru,
>> 
>> With some HEI's adopting BYOD and students are coming in with multiple
>> portable devices there is need to consider such devices that are actually not
>> owned by the HEI but are used by students. If there is an easier way other
>> than student population then no problem.
>> 
> 
> You are creating the assumption that every student in every educational
> institution will have three other devices that need an IP address and that
> every registered student would be allocated a permanent address through their
> lifetime in the institution.
> 
> totally illogical
> 
> regards
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Kennedy
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug>
>> To: "Kennedy Aseda" <kaseda at kenet.or.ke>
>> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:57:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Aseda <kaseda at kenet.or.ke> wrote:
>> 
>>> > Albeit belated, I wish to state my support for the proposed policy
>>> (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03).
>>> > 
>>> > HEI's are a catalyst to Internet penetration as well as testing of new
>>> technologies. Simplification of the application process will greatly aid
>>> HEI's. 
>> 
>> Simplification can be done without changing the rules of resource allocation.
>> Allocation by student population is just taking simplification to the
>> extreme.
>> 
>> 
>>> > 
>>> > I support. 
>>> > 
>>> > Kennedy 
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