[AFRINIC-rpd] Latest version of the policy AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03

[Andrew Alston]

Shikamoo Jackson,

Kuwa nimesoma mapingamizi yako makali kuhusu mikakati haya, siwezi
nikaelewa motisha yako, niko na shauku kuwa umesoma yale majibu
yaliyotolewa kwa maswala yako.

Kwa kusoma barua zako, nashangaa kama kuna kizuizi katika lugha inayofanya
tusielewane, ndio manake nikaandika barua hii kwa lugha ya kiswahili.
Ningeweza kuelewa haswa motisha yako iletayo upingamizi kwa mikakati haya,
ndiposa niweze kuelewa mbona maswala tuliyowakilisha  hayajibu hisia zako.
Ningalikuwa na busara kubwa kuwasiliana nawe ili tupate kuelewana.
Ndiposa ningaliomba uchambue tena tuliyowakilisha. Ningaliomba pia kila
aliyewakilishwa kwenye orodha hii, kuangalia tena kwa umakini na kwa nia
ya kutoa hisia ama maswala  yanayohusiana na yale majibu yalitumwa kwa
mdahalo huu. 
Nasubiria kupata hisia zako.

Andrew


--- English translation follows ---

Hi Jackson,

Having read your strong opposition to this policy and having read your
arguments against it,
I truly cannot understand your motivations and I question if you have read
a single one of the responses to the queries you raise.

>From reading your emails, I have to wonder if there is a language barrier
there that is preventing efficient communication, and as such, I thought I
would try and reach out to you and close this gap in what I assume is your
own language of Swahili.

If I can better understand exactly what your motivations are in opposing
this policy, and better understand why the issues we have raised do not
address those concerns, I will be in a better position to respond to you
on a way that achieves a neutral common ground.

As such, I would ask you to please look closely at what we have said, and
I would ask the same of every person on this list, and then give us
questions based on those responses.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Andrew





On 2013/06/25 12:08 PM, "Jackson Muthili" <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Alan Barrett <apb at cequrux.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2013, McTim wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any institution is allowed any amount of resources so long as they can
>>>> justify the use. HI¹s struggle to do this and this policy makes it
>>>>easier
>>>> for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the key that we should focus on IMHO.
>>>
>>> Why do they struggle and what can we do to help them!!??
>>
>>
>> Thanks, that's a nice lead-in to my comments.
>>
>> I neither support nor oppose this policy proposal.
>>
>> Reasons not to oppose:
>>
>> 1. The total number of IPv4 addresses assigned under this proposal would
>>    be similar to the total number assigned under a requirement for
>>    detailed network plans, if not immediately, then in the future as
>>    academic institutions improve their network infrastructure.
>>
>> 2. This policy proposal would reduce the paperwork for both the
>>    applicant and the AFRINIC staff, while still allowing a reasonable
>>    total number of IPv4 addresses to be allocated.
>>
>> Reasons not to support:
>>
>> 3. I think that the same policy should apply to everybody; I don't
>>    like different rules for different types of organisations.
>>
>> 4. I think that academic institutions should be able to get the IPv4
>>    address space that they need by following the same application
>>    process as anybody else, including demonstrating a need for the
>>    space.
>>
>> 5. I think that a detailed network plan, including estimates of number
>>    of concurrent users of wireless networks, should be sufficient
>>    to demonstrate a need for the space.  There should be no need for
>>    a formula involving the number of students.
>>
>> 6. If the AFRINIC staff reject network plans, then it should usually
>>    be for one of these reasons:
>>      a) the plan has insufficient detail;
>>      b) the plan does not support the number of addresses in the
>>         application;
>>      c) the plan appears to be fraudulent.
>>
>>    It should not be for these reasons:
>>      d) AFRINIC staff demand an unrealistic level of detail;
>>      e) AFRINIC staff do not understand the plan, or do not understand
>>         the technology used in the network.
>>
>>    The introduction to proposal AFPUB-2013-GEN-001 suggests that
>>    (d) and (e) are being used as reasons to reject applications,
>>    and if this is the case then I think that should be addressed by
>>    changes in internal AFRINIC procedures, and by staff training,
>>    not by changes in policy.
>>
>> --apb (Alan Barrett)
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>
>
>This analysis is very good Allan.
>
>Author sometimes mention those (d) and (e) as CHIEF motivation but it
>look like that is not recent case.
>
>I like all your analysis both for and aganst and they should be
>considered.
>
>Jack
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