[AFRINIC-rpd] PDP discussions

Mon Jun 24 13:53:11 UTC 2013

Badru and all,

I recommend the archives as a start point on this particular policy. Rpd
should not do the work of the board viz a viz fees. It is left for the
Board/Staff to do an analysis and present same to the community as the
impact on the organization. I hate to see the IPs move out of the region
because we did not agree on how to keep it within the region.

I joined Andrew on this, to help make his initial thoughts more acceptable
and I am glad I did. I do not see problems ... all i see are FEARs of the
dark. Now ... if folks can just all reach and strike a match!!

Sunday.

On 24 Jun 2013 13:23, "Badru Ntege" <ntegeb at one2net.co.ug> wrote:

> To Andrew and All
>
> i would suggest its time to consider a third alternative to this policy as
> it seems to be not settling well with a number of people.  I believe a mid
> point can be achieved but for us to get to that point you have to be
> prepared to move from your current position.
>
> from a financial point of view this policy is dangerous to AfriNIC and i
> think i have to be honest and say it here.  From a due diligence point of
> view i can imagine it would be an administrative nightmare.  And from a
> community point of view i think comments on this thread are already showing
> unwelcome but understandable sentiments.
>
> Lets take some time and see how we can make adjustments if possible to
> make it viable.  If not possible lets revisit the problem we are trying to
> solve and see if we can creatively fix the problem without a policy that
> scares the community.
>
> What are we trying to fix ?
> what is the criteria for success ?
> what solution will work for all parties ?
>
> And can we do all the above without breaking anything.
>
> regards
>
> Badru
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:35 PM, Maye Diop <mayediop at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Andew,
> I do work on the financial model and what I got is different from yours.
> That's why I would like afrinic staff to make a
> 1) financial analysis which will make comparison with current policy and
> sustainability,
> 2) geographic analysis which will allow to appreciate  @s' repartition
> through africa region (north, south, est, ouest, central and indian ocean)
> 3) long or medium consequence about no need of any justification to get
> back @s.
> Best Regards,
>
>
> 2013/6/24 Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Maye,
>>
>> I do not understand how you can claim this is depriving AfriNIC of its
>> revenues.  Let us look at some hard facts.
>>
>> Firstly, annual fees and application fees will still apply to any
>> applications made under this policy, the policy does not change the fee
>> structure in any way shape or form.  Secondly, irrespective of if the space
>> is used under this policy or by other organisations, the money is still
>> coming in.  The current revenues generated by already existent applications
>> will also keep flowing.
>>
>> By the published figures at the meeting, if you extrapolate from the data
>> provided in the financial slides based on the amount of revenue generated
>> by new members, it averages out at under $4,000 per member.  Because of the
>> size of the applications being generated by this policy, the fees generated
>> on the application fees will actually be higher than that.  Further to
>> this, AfriNIC is going to need a model to adjust the fees for the reality
>> that IPv4 life span is limited anyway.
>>
>> Our application rate for new customers is also limited by the number of
>> ISP's, and whats more due to the amount of consolidation on the continent
>> within the corporate sector that is likely to occur in the coming
>> months/years, the revenue fees are likely to decrease from that as well,
>> since a merged organisation with multiple blocks will move from one
>> category to the other, but the overall aggregate will reduce.
>>
>> I would seriously suggest that you actually do some financial modelling
>> around this, and you will actually find that yes, running out of IPv4 may
>> have an impact on the financial status of AfriNIC, but it can be addressed,
>> and the same situation exists irrespective of this policy being passed or
>> not.  The key difference is that without this policy while we may have more
>> revenue coming in (and it won't be substantially more), it will be coming
>> in from foreign sources who have taken our IP space off this continent for
>> use in Asia, Europe and the States.  I once again stress that current
>> policy does not preclude this from happening unless you refer to the soft
>> landing policy.
>>
>> So, in summary, it comes to a choice, get the revenues albeit at a
>> slightly lower rate, with a fairly drastic income in initial application
>> fees from the initial applications this policy is likely to generate, or
>> deprive yourself of revenues by slowing allocation rates by not passing the
>> policy, or get the revenue from foreign entities who have taken our
>> resources and left us with nothing (which I believe is not in the interests
>> of this community AT ALL).
>>
>> Seriously, before we all panic, lets actually run the models, look at the
>> numbers, and realise that this panic is over nothing.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> From: Maye Diop <mayediop at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday 24 June 2013 11:56 AM
>> To: Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net>, Bope Domilongo Christian <
>> christianbope at gmail.com>, Alan Barrett <apb at cequrux.com>, rpd <
>> rpd at afrinic.net>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] PDP discussions
>>
>> Dear All,
>> I would like to express again my concern about this policy which is a
>> strategy to hold our precious v4 adresses and deprive Afrinic from its
>> unique source of revenues. Then how will AFRINIC continue serving this
>> continent by providing training and support for internet growth?
>> I call all board members and the whole community to take their
>> responsability to avoid any action which will jeopardize afrinics' future.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>  2013/6/24 Andrew Alston <alston.networks at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi Adiel,
>>>
>>> Just a correction on the South African statistics, University of the
>>> Free State has an ASN. University of Cape Town also has an ASN, Rhodes.
>>>
>>> I also need to stress that while the UbuntuNet Alliance is registered as
>>> "Netherlands", it is very clearly an African organisation with its sole
>>> focus the connectivity of academic networks in Africa.  This is merely a
>>> company registration that caused it to state Netherlands (which, while I
>>> don't speak for the Alliance, if I am correct now also has a registration
>>> in Malawi)
>>>
>>> I do have to say that in these statistics, I find certain things very
>>> telling and I think it clearly highlights just how much the policy under
>>> discussion is needed across the continent.
>>>
>>>  Currently South African institutions with their legacy space are
>>> utilising more than 10 times the space than their nigerian counterparts.
>>>  The student base at HEI's in the respective countries seems to be pretty
>>> similar from published statistics, this policy will address that imbalance
>>> by providing access to space those those institutions in Nigeria.  It is
>>> also very telling that there are single institutions in South Africa that
>>> have more IP address space than the entire academic sector in Ghana, Egypt
>>> and Congo DR combined!!!  This is the VERY reason this policy needs to
>>> pass, because it will make it so much easier for these institutions to get
>>> space and address the imbalance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net>
>>> Date: Monday 24 June 2013 10:59 AM
>>>
>>> To: Bope Domilongo Christian <christianbope at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: <rpd at afrinic.net>, Alan Barrett <apb at cequrux.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] PDP discussions
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-06-21, at 11:44 AM, Bope Domilongo Christian <
>>> christianbope at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to request to Afrinic to provide the current IPV4 allow to
>>> all African Universities regionally.
>>>
>>>
>>> The information is temporarily available at (this is :
>>>
>>> http://meeting.afrinic.net/www3-utils/hei-stats/hei.php
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> - a.
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