[AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)

Wed Jan 16 16:10:48 UTC 2013

If you want to have address transfers from Afrinic to other RIR (and
other RIR to Afrinic - but i dont see this happening) it is better for
this process to cover all types of ip addresses and all types of
Afrinic member companies.

Jack

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Chad <chad at logicweb.com> wrote:
> Thank you Andrew.
>
> I was advised to not use the word ‘legacy’ in my initial proposal, hence the
> confusion. I was merely following the advice from someone who was kindly
> trying to help me (AfriNIC employee).
>
> LogicWeb Inc.
>
> "a smarter web host solution"
>
> p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124
>
> www.logicweb.com
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:alston.networks at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:30 AM
> To: 'Chad'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>
>
>
> Hi Chad,
>
>
>
> Except for the fact that your policy proposal does not reference legacy
> space, infact it makes specific references to LIRs who by definition have
> space allocated from AfriNIC that is non-legacy.  Therefore, in evaluation
> of this policy it is looked at holistically and until now the word legacy
> was not used, this raises eyebrows.
>
>
>
> My views on legacy space are well known and well documented, hell, I refused
> point blank to sign the AfriNIC MSA over the fact that it did not exclude
> legacy space for a long long time.
>
>
>
> What you do with legacy space is up to you, I don’t believe the RIR’s should
> have a say in it at all.  What you do with assignments made by a particular
> regional entity is an entirely different story.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Chad [mailto:chad at logicweb.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:43 PM
> To: 'Andrew Alston'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>
>
>
> There’s nothing wrong with my previous response. Facts are facts. Scrutiny
> is one thing, ignorant claims is another. Business is business. We’re all
> here to make money, the right way. Am I doing it the wrong way? No I am not.
>
>
>
> People need to get their facts right before they scrutinize someone or
> belittle their motivation. Show me one legitimate reason why legacy IPs
> should not be transferrable to another RIR. They are legacy, they are not
> controlled by the RIR (AfriNIC here) so they cannot be assigned to anyone by
> the RIR itself anyway.
>
>
>
> LogicWeb Inc.
>
> "a smarter web host solution"
>
> p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124
>
> www.logicweb.com
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:alston.networks at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:35 AM
> To: 'Chad'; 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>
>
>
> Hi Chad,
>
>
>
> Actually, you proposed a policy in the African region that directly affects
> the IP addressing on the African continent.  Just as every policy I myself
> have ever proposed, and every policy everyone else has proposed may come
> under scrutiny and be analyzed and dissected by the community, the same
> applies to yours.  When analyzing a policy, the motivations of the person
> proposing are questioned, and you would have seen if you had been following
> this list, these questions get asked of more policies than just your own.
>
>
>
> The trick here is in how you respond to it, and if people on this list
> choose to question your motivations, that is part of the process.
>
>
>
> As I stated, initially, I was supportive of this policy, but have since
> changed my stance since I believe that the distribution of addresses should
> still remain in the hands of the RIR (and I say that even with the will
> documented issues I have with AfriNIC, since even with those issues, I have
> never disputed the need for a strong and robust RIR).  However, even had my
> stance NOT changed before now, after what you have said in this post and the
> nature of it, well, yeah…
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of
> Chad
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:23 PM
> To: 'Sunday Folayan'; tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: 'Ernest - (AfriNIC)'; 'AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>
>
>
> First off,
>
>
>
> McTim posting from my personal facebook page is not constructive nor
> objective.
>
>
>
> Secondly,
>
>
>
> I own the /14 legacy IPs. I have a right to profit off IP addresses that I
> own and paid for. Had McTim used common sense and proper thinking he would
> have realized that. Who pays for something (business investment) and not
> expect a return for their investment? Is it wrong? No.
>
>
>
> And for you Fiono to quote it again is blatant ignorance.  I don’t know how
> you conduct business but in the real world business is business. There is
> nothing I did wrong by legitimately buying legacy IPs, paying for them as a
> business investment and wanting to lease them out. I have every right to do
> so. Facts are facts.
>
>
>
> The ignorant response are overwhelming in this thread its unbelievable. It’s
> unbelievable that you Fiona and “McTim” have the audacity to argue against
> someone making money on IPs they actually own.
>
>
>
> You actually sound like control freaks wanting to police other people’s
> businesses that you have no right doing so.
>
>
>
> LogicWeb Inc.
>
> "a smarter web host solution"
>
> p. 877-LOGICWEB f. 718-841-7124
>
> www.logicweb.com
>
>
>
> From: rpd-bounces at afrinic.net [mailto:rpd-bounces at afrinic.net] On Behalf Of
> Sunday Folayan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:08 AM
> To: tespok at tespok.co.ke
> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List; Ernest - (AfriNIC)
> Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
> Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
>
>
>
> Fiona,
>
>
> On 16/01/2013 12:04, Fiona Asonga wrote:
>
> Hallo Chad
>
>
>
> I hope the author of this proposal in on the list to respond since he has
> been rather quiet.  I am still asking what is the goal of the proposal since
> I think the proposal is kind of incomplete. What I would like to understand
> is;... so as to enable, achieve or facilitate what........?
>
>
> Still wonder why? Even with McTim's post of 11-01-2013 which quoted is:
>
> <BEGIN>
> In addition, at  http://www.facebook.com/chad.abizeid, I found:
>
> "Chad Abizeid
> Please contact me at chad at logicweb.com / 877-564-4293 ext 79. I am
> looking to see if your company may be interested in leasing over 250k
> IP addresses (/14) from my company LogicWeb Inc (est 2004). Smaller
> subnet leasing available as well. Thank you.
> Like ·  · October 10 at 5:45pm"
> </END>
>
> I wonder why AfriNIC is not into the leasing business ;)
>
> Sunday.
>
>
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