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[AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)

Sunday Folayan sfolayan at
Mon Jan 14 12:41:57 UTC 2013


I like your statement ... "Let SOMEONE get some advantage out of the 
assets, while they still has value".

I will support a policy proposal that has a reincarnation of John Postel 
go round African Universities and Research Centres, looking at their 
LANs and making a direct relacement of their Natted V4 space with 
routable v4 addresses and also matching v6 to go with it. oh ... we can 
even estimate 3 addresses per students population, since they will have 
laptops, pads and fones, all requiring Wifi at the minimum.

That is a no-brainer to get the assets used, while they still have value.


On 14/01/2013 13:13, Andrew Alston wrote:
> The rest of the world is interested in African v4, because yes, while we are
> behind the curve on v6, is the fact is, the rest of the world is also behind
> on their v6 deployments.  We are just a lot more behind than they are :)
> Sadly reality is, people spoke to years about the fact that v4 was going to
> run out, hell, I remember sitting in Cairo in 2005 and hearing the arguments
> put forward by Tony Hain about this, no one wanted to listen.  Now, the v4
> is gone and people need to keep going while they migrate/dual-stack.  So,
> there is demand for v4.
> Africa is in a unique position though, because by the time we run out of v4,
> the need for dual-stack will probably be a lot less than it is today,
> because the rest of the world will have stopped using nearly as much of it
> by that point at our current allocation rates.  Wanna take a guess at what
> is going to happen then if we aren't v6 ready?  Just like the rest of the
> world flogs us old equipment because they think they can get away with it,
> we'll suddenly become the dumping ground for the unused v4 that isn't needed
> anymore.  Sadly, if attitudes haven't changed, we may find that many
> companies buy into this and actually get those assets.
> V4 assets are valuable today, a year or two from now, they will be a lot
> less valuable, 5 years from now, they will be practically worthless.  I'd
> rather see us get away from our v4 obsession by forcing people to go v6
> depleting our pool, than drag it on so long that the rest of the world moves
> past it, and then continues to keep us in the back waters by selling us
> their now worthless v4 assets because we've never changed the mindset to "WE
> NEED V6".
> You know, I find this whole discussion to be kind of sad, we as African's
> claim we want to be part of the global community, we want open trade, we
> want the same rights and advantages as the rest of the world, we want to be
> part of the global economies, yet, we still sit and argue against getting
> involved globally.  It works both ways people, if we continue to hoard what
> we are VERY obviously not using (look at our allocation rates), simply
> because "It's my precious" (sorry, lame reference to lord of the rings), all
> we will do is further alienate ourselves from the rest of the globe.  That
> isn't productive.
> Either find a way  to actually USE the v4 we have on the continent, or let
> it go, the first is obviously preferential, but if we can't do that because
> of all the reasons detailed in my last email or because of any other
> reasons, then let SOMEONE get some advantage out of the assets while they
> still have value.

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