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[AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)

Andrew Alston alston.networks at
Fri Jan 11 17:07:37 UTC 2013

Hi All,


It's me about to be controversial again.


I proposed something actually far more liberal in Tanzania, and yes, it was
voted down and withdrawn.  But I for one support this policy, again, under
the guise that I believe it assists NO ONE if one region is sitting with v4
space long after the other regions have run out.  If we all go over the
proverbial cliff together, we all develop at the same rate and there is some
incentive to actually do something about IPv6.  Day in and day out I still
get told by people that they don't need to worry about v6, after all,
AfriNIC has plenty of IPv4 available still..


Holding onto the v4 space and limiting the ability  to get rid of it is
short sighted and long term will have negative effects on this continent.
Let's stop thinking about the NOW and think about where we need to be
heading and how we are going to get there, and sadly, the one thing I've
found in this industry, you need some pretty big incentives to get things
moving (scarcity, financial impact or public embarrassment generally do the
trick) .  I would say RUNNING OUT is probably the biggest incentive of them
all though.


So +1 for this policy, I support it





From: rpd-bounces at [mailto:rpd-bounces at] On Behalf Of
Seun Ojedeji
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 3:19 PM
To: McTim
Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List; Ernest - (AfriNIC)
Subject: Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] New Policy Proposal: Inter RIR IPv4 Address
Transfers (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)


+1 something similar to this proposal was presented sometime ago(i think it
was at Afrinic 14 in Tanzania). Ofcourse i opposed it then, and even now i
strongly oppose! I don't see any economic benefit that will come out of
this, i can only relate such an act to indirect colonialism.

Our heritage is a thing of pride lets not sell it to a foreigner!


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:43 PM, McTim <dogwallah at> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

I am opposed to this proposal.

Given that Africa has historically fewer numbering resources than
other regions,
and this proposal will allow transfer from the region to other
regions, it seems to me to be
a way for people to make money from IP address transfers in opposition
to the sense of the
community as gauged a few meetings ago.

In addition, at, I found:

"Chad Abizeid
Please contact me at chad at / 877-564-4293 ext 79. I am
looking to see if your company may be interested in leasing over 250k
IP addresses (/14) from my company LogicWeb Inc (est 2004). Smaller
subnet leasing available as well. Thank you.
Like .  . October 10 at 5:45pm"

I hope you will join me in opposition to this as a way to keep AfriNIC
resources in Africa for use by African networks.


"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Ernest - (AfriNIC) <ernest at>
> Hi All,
> A new policy proposal has been received:
> "Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers" (AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01)
> It is published at:
> Also pasted below for comments and discussion from the PDWG/community:
> __________________________________________________
> Unique identifier:              AFPUB-2013-V4-001-DRAFT-01
> Draft Policy Name:      Inter RIR IPv4 Address Transfers
> Author:                 Chad Abizeid, LogicWeb Inc
> Date:                   January 09, 2013
> Related Policies:               None
> Amends:                 None
> 1.0     Summary of the Problem Being Addressed by this Policy Proposal
> Given the original geographical distribution of IPv4 address space and the
geographical distribution of current needs for IPv4 address space, it stands
to reason that no IPv4 address space should be 'locked up' within the RIR
service region they were originally allocated to.
> In order to prevent conflict, it also refers to policy for transfers of
the region the address space is being transferred to or from.
> 2.0     Summary of How this Proposal Addresses the Problem
> a.      Provides a minimal framework for Inter-RIR IPv4 address space
> b.      Maintains the integrity of AfriNIC's whois database and ensures
AfriNIC remains part of the approval and transfer process.
> c.      Allows African companies to participate in a market already
available to ARIN and APNIC LIRs;
> d.      Will allow AfriNIC LIRs with excess IPs to transfer to companies
in other RIR regions.
> 3.0     Proposal
> AfriNIC members can transfer part or all of their IPv4 addresses to any
company under the following criteria:
> 3.1     AfriNIC will recognize inter-RIR IPv4 address transfers only when
the counterpart RIR has an inter-RIR transfer policy that permits the
transfer of address space between AfriNIC and its own region
> 3.2     The minimum transfer size is a /24. The IPv4 address space should
be under the management of the RIR at which the originating LIR holds an
account and the authentic holder of the space should match with the source
without any disputes.
> 3.3     The originating LIR must provide evidence of compliance with RIR
policies with respect to past delegations.
> 3.4     The originating LIR and the IPv4 address space transferred are in
compliance with the originating RIR's policy.
> The conditions on the recipient of the transfer will be defined by the RIR
where the recipient organization holds an account. The following conditions
will therefore apply to the destination LIR:
> 3.5     The destination LIR and the IPv4 address space transferred are in
compliance with the Destination RIR's policies (see section 5.0 References
for ARIN policy).
> 3.6     There must be an inter-RIR IPv4 transfer policy in effect in the
Destination RIR service region at the time of transfer.
> 4.0     Revision History
> None
> 5.0     References
> .
> .
> __________________________________________________
> Regards,
> Ernest.
> _______________________________________________
> rpd mailing list
> rpd at


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