[AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

[Andrew Alston]

Let me put this question to the list.

Would an internet cafe that has its own IP space be an LIR under these theories if they allowed customers to come in and plug in their own notebooks?

Andrew

On 23 Jul 2012, at 11:54 AM, Fiona Asonga wrote:

> Hallo Guy,
> 
> In the context of what we are discussing the students are customers of the university. Since no matter how you look at it the individual students cannot qualify even if they wanted to be Local Internet Registries. It is good when we can have an argument in context of the entire discussion. So whether the students are knowledge partners of customers there is no difference since whatever you wish to refer to them as does not change the fact that they can only be end users.
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Antony Halse" <G.halse at ru.ac.za>
> To: "Jackson Muthili" <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
> Cc: "AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User
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> On Mon 2012-07-23 (08:16), Jackson Muthili wrote:
>> When looking at students as customers of an university, it does not
>> matter anymore, a university is a LIR! All schools and colleges are
>> LIR!
> 
> This is tangential, but I have a problem with the idea of "looking at
> students as customers of a university".
> 
> The problem is that there are very few (traditional) universities that view
> their students as mere customers.  Anyone who does has a naïve understanding
> of the pedagogy of higher education.
> 
> Our Vice Chancellor frequently expounds on the fact that universities are
> not businesses[1], and that if one tries to apply pure business principles
> to higher education, its role changes substantially.  From a purely business
> perspective, one of our most successful academic departments runs at a loss. 
> If our University had chosen to act on business principles, the Square
> Kilometre Array might not be coming to (South) Africa[2].
> 
> This difference extends to students.  If we were to view students as mere
> customers then the role of higher education would have to change.  Students
> don't just come to a university to pay for and receive a degree (whatever
> they may think)[3].  Instead they are an inherent part of the process of
> knowledge creation; even with infinite sums of money, without students
> universities as we know them would wither and die.
> 
> In our institution terms like "knowledge partners" are used.
> 
> So, in our world, where our students are not customers but an inherent part
> of our identity, it becomes easier to argue that a university is not an LIR. 
> However, as Duncan Martin has pointed out, nobody would be debating the
> definitions if it wasn't for fees...
> 
> - Guy
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> [1] Badat, S.  (2009) The role of higher education in society: valuing
>    higher education. Available: http://eprints.ru.ac.za/1502/
> 
> [2] SKA.  (2012) SKA site bid outcome.  Available: http://www.ska.ac.za/about/bid.php
> 
> [3] Boughey, C.  (2012) Rhodes University Learning Guide 2012: An
>    undergraduate's guide to learning ar Rhodes University.  Availabe:
>    http://www.ru.ac.za/media/rhodesuniversity/content/chertl/documents/RU%20learning%202012.pdf
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