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[AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

Sunday Folayan sfolayan at
Sun Jul 22 08:24:06 UTC 2012

Hi Duncan,

SM is not Sunday :)

I meant what you agreed with. I could have written  .... "Circling 
vultures would indicate a dead or dying animal".


On 21/07/2012 14:31, Duncan Martin wrote:
> RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User
> Hi Sunday
> By good numbering practices I mean broadly practices that enable 
> systematic aggregation of prefixes in accordance with the CIDR scheme; 
> discourage hoarding of and exaggerated applications for number 
> resources; and reduce the need for systemic dependence upon NAT within 
> organisational networks.
> What did you have in mind when you wrote about the "total warp in the 
> AfriNIN fee structure"?
> Duncan
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* SM [mailto:sm at]
> *Sent:* Sat 2012/07/21 01:27 PM
> *To:* Duncan Martin
> *Cc:* AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
> *Subject:* RE: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User
> Hi Duncan,
> At 21:28 20-07-2012, Duncan Martin wrote:
> >The present huge differences between the fees charged to End-Users
> >and those charged to LIRs show that AfriNIC's fees are not based on
> >cost-recovery, as would befit a non-profit entity, but, evidently,
> >on perceptions of the prices and implicit cross-subsidisations that
> >different market segments will tolerate.
> >If definitions of End Users and LIRs and distinctions between End
> >Users and LIRs are indeed required in AfriNIC's fee structures,
> >should these not be justified in terms of AfriNIC's obligations and
> >responsibility as a RIR to ensure/promote good Internet numbering
> >practice in the Region?
> If you think of it there isn't any constraint in existing policies
> about fees.  The contractual agreement uses wording from existing
> policies.  In simple terms you can change the fees without changing
> the policies.  The difference between End-Users and LIRs is more
> about legacy definitions.  I generally ask the person soliciting my
> vote what he or she will do for me.  If the person says that he or
> she will ensure good Internet numbering practices are followed, I
> would not understand what that means.
> Cost recovery and cross-subsidization are two different matters.  How
> would cost recovery be determined assuming that it does not allow for
> any cross-subsidization?
> Regards,
> -sm
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