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[AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

Duncan Martin ceo at
Sat Jul 21 08:11:00 UTC 2012

Hi Nii
There is neither undelying suggestion nor ulterior motive in my observations - just what I wrote.


From: Nii Narku Quaynor [mailto:quaynor at]
Sent: Sat 2012/07/21 07:27 AM
To: Duncan Martin
Cc: Sunday Folayan; Guy Antony Halse; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

Is the underlining suggestion that the universities pay more?

On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:28, "Duncan Martin" <ceo at> wrote:

	I support Sunday's call for a review of AfriNIC's fee structures.
	The present huge differences between the fees charged to End-Users and those charged to LIRs show that AfriNIC's fees are not based on cost-recovery, as would befit a non-profit entity, but, evidently, on perceptions of the prices and implicit cross-subsidisations that different market segments will tolerate.
	If definitions of End Users and LIRs and distinctions between End Users and LIRs are indeed required in AfriNIC's fee structures, should these not be justified in terms of AfriNIC's obligations and responsibility as a RIR to ensure/promote good Internet numbering practice in the Region?
	Duncan Martin

	From: rpd-bounces at on behalf of Sunday Folayan
	Sent: Fri 2012/07/20 09:36 PM
	To: Guy Antony Halse
	Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
	Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Definitions of LIR versus End User

	All of this exercise at definitions and ambiguity discoveries points to a total warp in the afrinic fee structure. That is what needs equitable review, not definitions.

	My 1 micro-lira.



		On 13 Jul 2012 08:13, "Guy Antony Halse" <G.halse at> wrote:

		On Wed 2012-07-11 (20:12), Seun Ojedeji wrote:
		> end-user:
		> An end-user is an organization receivi...

		When coupled with the definition of LIR:

		> > A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from
		> > an RIR and primaril...

		this creates exactly the sort of ambiguity I referred to previously.
		There exists the potential for an organisation that neither uses its IP
		assignments *exclusively* for its internal use, nor *primarily* assigns
		address space to end-users.  (Note the emphasised words.)  From the
		discussions, most universities come to mind.
		Ergo (at least some) universities are neither end-users nor LIRs.
		Which is why I think that end-user should be !(LIR || RIR).

		- Guy
		Systems Manager, IT Division, Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
		Email: G.Halse...

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