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[AfriNIC-rpd] Consensus call on Section 3.8 of AFPUB-2010-v4-005-draft-02 - IPv4 Soft Landing

Arbogast Fabian afabbie at
Fri May 6 12:00:43 UTC 2011

now i can see i have got that light on this matter...... so it's practical that some IP spaces meant for Africa are used outside africa.
if a coy or org be it african or not needs to work outside our region should seek the IP space from the region they need to set foot.
and i think it won't be fair to turn down applications for IP space from foreign coys as long as they have presence in our region, the important thing here is not to route IPs outside africa...FULL STOP!
it will be cky and difficulty to gauge the 10% usage outside africa...e.t.c...
since the routing of IP space meant for Africa starts in our routers wherever they are.... we should then not allow routing towards outside africa.
this is my opinion.
Arbogast Fabian

Subject: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] Consensus call on Section 3.8 of AFPUB-2010-v4-005-draft-02 - IPv4 Soft Landing
From: mje at
To: jp at
Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:47:32 +0200
CC: rpd at

On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 13:10 +0200, JP Viljoen wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Mark Elkins <mje at> wrote:
> > I believe I was the person who suggested the 10% rule.
> >
> > Firstly - we are talking about the use of the last "/8" that AfriNIC
> > has. ie - this is potentially the last IPv4 address space AfriNIC may
> > ever have. By the time we get to using this space - it may in fact be
> > the last (virgin) unallocated IPv4 address space on the planet - as I
> > expect that the other regions may have totally used their address space
> > - unless people are returning unneeded space back to their RIR's.
> >
> > My reason for the 10% rule was to ensure that this last space was used
> > by Africans for the benefit of the African region - and not used by
> > non-african companies who simply have (or set up) an African address,
> > applying for addresses then spiriting the address space out of Africa to
> > be used totally outside Africa. The 10% is a guestimation on how much of
> > the address space would need to be used out of Africa in order to bring
> > services into Africa. Most of the objections to this surround the fact
> > that it may not be possible to police whether more than 10% is being
> > used outside Africa. As much as anything - I see the 10% rule as a stick
> > that can be used if needed. Its really to stop blatant misuse of AfriNIC
> > resources - Companies attempting to export the address space with next
> > to no interest in Africa. Would I suggest using the stick if
> > "AfricanCompany" uses a little over 10% of the address space in order to
> > bring new services into Africa - No! If the same entity uses all the
> > address space to set up a new network in Europe - then Yes.
> <snip>
> Surely this could be better solved by making sure that the company is
> a real African entity, as opposed to a non-African entity who set up a
> branch in Africa with the sole purpose of getting more space.
Ah! - but that wouldn't stop "AfricanCompany" (assumption is that they
are real) from using this last space outside the Region.
Having a Big Stick does not mean you have to use it, just that you have
one when you need one! 
  .  .     ___. .__      Posix Systems - (South) Africa
 /| /|       / /__       mje at  -  Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE
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