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[AfriNIC-rpd] IPv6 Allocations to Non-Profit Networks
aa at tenet.ac.za
Wed Jan 14 08:23:51 UTC 2009
Just a couple of questions regarding this, though I do support what I
see as the thought behind the policy.
First of all, how do you define a non-profit entity/network. In my
opinion, you cannot give space under this policy to a "community"
network unless it is a legal entity. Now, in the case of things like
the Wireless User Groups and other community networks, how many of these
are actually legally defined entities. As has already been raised, even
with these legal entities, how many of the countries have ways to define
"non-profit" organizations? If we get this definition right and define
the criteria for qualification correctly, we will help eliminate the
problem of people attempting to abuse this policy to get free space for
I like the thought behind this because money in NGO's and non-profit
organizations (and community based initiatives) is often extremely
tight, and promoting IPv6 should be high on the list of things to do, I
just think we need to very carefully hammer out how we define who this
policy applies to, and how its controlled.
As for, would I be happy to see a small commercial ISP pay and see a
large non-profit not pay? Yes, I would, because size doesn't really
come into this, what comes into it is what the space will be used for in
the long term. IPv6 space used by non-profit, research and other such
entities should be being used to uplift the African people, where as the
small commercial entity is still using the space to generate income,
thats the fundamental difference, not the size of the entity involved.
Just my thoughts
TENET - Chief Technology Officer
dogwallah at gmail.com wrote:
> Hullo David,
> Thanks for the perspective, my comments inline:
> On 1/14/09, David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org> wrote:
>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009, Graham Beneke wrote:
>>>> IPv6 Allocations to Non-Profit Networks
>>>> Many community and non-profit networks exist on the African continent
>>>> and around the world... Many of these organizations provide the
>>>> services free of charge and do not have any kind of revenue stream.
>>> I strongly support this policy.
>> So, you'd be happy for (say) the Gates Foundation to not pay AfriNIC
>> while a small two person commercial ISP serving some rural area in the
>> bush would be subject to full freight?
> I certainly wouldn't, and while this isn't the intent of the proposal,
> it might certainly be the effect.
>> Also, in my (perhaps dated) experience, few countries had a useful
>> definition of "non-profit corporation". This is why, for example,
>> APNIC is actually a for-profit company, at least according to the
>> Australian government. If this remains the case, this policy would
>> appear to disadvantage ISPs in countries without a non-profit legal/
>> tax status.
>> I'm curious: what percentage of the total cost of doing business for
>> ISPs in Africa is the annual AfriNIC fees relative to the cost of
>> connectivity, staff, rent, electricity, etc.?
> small, but this is for community networks, "ISPs" as we usually think of them.
>>> This is the model under which the Internet was initially built...
>> No it isn't. The model under which the Internet was build (at least
>> in the context of address registration) was government subsidies.
>> Before the RIRs existed, the US taxpayers (via the US government) paid
>> for _all_ address registration services. That time is long past and
>> we probably don't want to try to revisit it.
>> To be clear, this policy is asking one set of AfriNIC members (for-
>> profits) to subsidize another set ("non-profits", whatever that
>> means). Long ago, APNIC looked at the same policy and decided against
>> it since (a) it was felt yearly APNIC fees were such a tiny proportion
>> of the total cost of providing Internet service in the AP region that
>> it was nonsensical to think that waiving those fees would have a
>> significant impact on the growth of the Internet in the region and (b)
>> the APNIC executive council had mechanisms by which fees could be
>> waived. Whether or not these considerations are relevant for the
>> African region at this point in time is obviously something you all
>> will need to determine.
> This seems to be a corner case, and while I am all for getting IPv6
> into the hands of community networks and their ilk, I wonder if this
> can't be done via tunnel brokers making /48 assignments
> or by other means. In general, I think it is not helpful to write many
> corner cases into policy.
> Like Badru, I am on the fence on this one, but currently leaning on
> the "no" side.
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