[AfriNIC-rpd] What is our take on the central pool IPv4 exhaustion?

Mon Aug 13 08:29:10 UTC 2007

I've to agree here.

In my experience, it is easier for networks in Africa and Latin America, to
move to IPv6 than in other regions where they have much bigger networks and
older equipment.

In general, what I've seen until now in Africa is that networks really
support IPv6, but people don't bother to even try it.

Also, agree, any new IPv4 resource delivered to existing or new ISP should
go with a request for IPv6 space and a clear plan for the transition in a
maximum of 12-18 months. IPv4 resources should be reclaimed for those that
don't follow their own plans.

The only thing we do delaying the transition and trying to artificially
increase the availability of IPv4 in the region is damaging the development
of the region, not in the other way around.

I think it is clear that people still don't understand that is STILL
POSSIBLE to do the transition with NAT and private addresses if we run out
of IPv4. IPv4 with NAT and private address space is NOT the best solution,
not the optimal one, BUT *IT WORKS*. So there is no need to try to extend
IPv4 life and will not be good at all.

And even more, if we don't want to use IPv4 *at all*, it is still possible
to keep talking with IPv4-only networks/boxes, not recommended as an initial
step, except in some specific cases where your IPv6 traffic is already
predominant vs. IPv4, but *it works*. We have tried in large networks
(+5.000 sites, so not just talking about theories).
http://www.ipv6tf.org/index.php?page=news/newsroom&id=3004

Please, read my document where I explain all this, and provide inputs if you
believe I'm wrong.

Regards,
Jordi

> De: Graham Beneke <graham-ml at apolix.co.za>
> Responder a: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Fecha: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:52:32 +0200
> Para: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Asunto: Re: [AfriNIC-rpd] What is our take on the central pool IPv4
> exhaustion?
> 
> Badru Ntege wrote:
>> 
>> Sure as night follows day depletion is coming and Transistion will have to
>> happen so in a way the debate on getting more of what is to become legacy
>> internet could be diversion and concentrating on building a cohesive
>> continental plan to transition from v4 to v6 might be the right path to
>> take.  It's all a game of numbers and if Africa as one voice decides to
>> transistion we might be able to change the underlying economic dynamics
>> enough to make it economically viable for African networks to overhaul their
>> legacy V4 networks.
>> 
> 
> Relatively speaking Africa has much fewer legacy networks than say the
> US or EU. With the massive growth that telecoms the continent is
> experiencing it is an ideal arena to be deploying IPv6 networks.
> 
> The seems to be a perception that IP resources are extremely scarce on
> the continent. This can be blamed on service providers charging up to
> $30 for a single IP address. Now would definitely not be the time that
> we turn that idea around.
> 
> As I understand it AfriNIC has 2 full /8's (and a number of smaller
> blocks that they have taken over from other RIR's). One of the policy
> documents mentioned earlier suggested 5 /8's each for the RIR's. This
> would allow Internet infrastructure on the continent to grow to about 4
> times its current size before we start experiencing an IPv4 shortage. I
> do not think that this would be a wise move.
> 
>> Maybe AfriNIC needs a policy that ensures that for any established LIR to
>> get anymore allocations they need to implement an active V6 network.  We
>> could even go as far as proposing that any large allocation from time x
>> needs to have a corresponding V6 allocation.
>> 
> 
> A very good idea but I think we would need to have some sort of
> evaluation that allows us to determine if the LIR is actually going to
> use the v6 allocation.
> 
> No point in handing out lots of free v6 blocks to LIR's who are just
> running v4 networks anyway.
> 
> Graham
> 
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