[Icann-aswg] Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] Re: AfrICANN Digest, Vol 67,
Issue 67
Baudouin SCHOMBE
baudouin.schombe at gmail.com
Mon Sep 17 08:57:56 SAST 2012
Hello,
Here is my proposal there a few days:
> The initiative ASWG is a very good idea. But the question of
> representativity is also another important aspect. What is done is done.
> From Mexico, the question of visibility ICANN was raised many times by
> some ALS and I realize that these concerns have not been listened to.
> That's like a magic wand the problem reoccurs.
> Now that the AU, in collaboration with the CEA, is seriously involved in
> the activities of ICANN must quickly begin with a diagnostic clinic process
> from Lisbon to date.
> ICANN should be well established at country level. On this point, it is
> necessary that local actors are able to offer a term of reference of the
> methodology. It is at this level AFRALO comes in.
> It will also see that the CEA has done in cerrtains african countries in
> the process of developing national policy. These are just suggestions.
>
> 2012/9/15 <africann-request at afrinic.net>
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>> 1. Re: A brief update on the ASWG (Nii Narku Quaynor)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:55:54 +0000
>> From: Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>> To: Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
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>> ICANN does not coordinate/administer national resources. ICANN
>> administers resources for constituencies. Therefore its better to depend on
>> constituency strategies than depending on national strategies
>>
>> You also miss the point that the development of strategy is a continuous
>> process. In fact corporate strategic planning is annual and this is also
>> true to ICANN (read ICANN's corporate plan at the site) so this talk of
>> rush is a suggestion that you need to be more informed
>>
>> What ASWG is doing is only getting Africa better plugged in ICANN's
>> corporate planning process
>>
>> We don't want to miss this years window and we should be continuously
>> engaged thereafter
>>
>> Nii (ASWG chair)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2012, at 23:28, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Thank you for this - I read it and was waiting for an acceptable
>> description of this process.
>> > A small Objection for now:
>> >
>> >> 3-The ICANN Africa strategy has nothing to do with our
>> >> national/regional ICT strategies which a few of us have been helping
>> >> African countries develop these last years
>> > Some effort has bean made in this area of work in order to gain a place
>> in National Priorities (wasted energy?) .....Could someone explain why this
>> disjoint? Let alone having National Strategies - there are some of our
>> countries without a National Policy. Why not start with that? How far did
>> the ICANN Regional Bureaus/ Offices go to help in this?
>> >
>> > Well well, Points 1 & 2 need to be clarified as well - and the
>> directive or request by the CEO was not a fire-fighting order....I am sure
>> it meant that Africans should consider doing that - not to form a Group
>> without necessary consultations back home - this happened in Prague where
>> Africans were represented - why not take the message 'home' for
>> consideration? This where the issue began - I for one fail to believe that
>> the CEO meant that a small Group be formed..,,??
>> >
>> > After all why is this discussion taking place now? There is a homework
>> to do - not only to analyse documents and information gathered.
>> >
>> > Here we go..... Africa!
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Yassin
>> >
>> >
>> > On 14 September 2012 21:47, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Repost FYI
>> >
>> >> From: Dandjinou Pierre <pdandjinou at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: September 14, 2012 8:26:58 GMT
>> >> To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >> Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] ASWG outputs : Clarifications
>> >> Reply-To: africann at afrinic.net
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> As you are taking time to go through the documents that were posted by
>> >> the ASWG, I think these clarifications are in order, to contextualize
>> >> what we seek to achieve as Africans participants to ICANN
>> >>
>> >> 1- The Africa Strategy document was a request by the incoming CEO, who
>> >> wanted to have a special strategy for Africa;
>> >> 2- As per the timeline that has been posted, Africans should deliver
>> >> the outlines of the strategy by October and then ICANN will take it
>> >> from there to develop the Africa strategy
>> >> 3-The ICANN Africa strategy has nothing to do with our
>> >> national/regional ICT strategies which a few of us have been helping
>> >> African countries develop these last years
>> >> 4-Thus, your inputs are important for the outlines to be delivered to
>> >> ICANN in the specified timeline (end of September/early October)
>> >> 5-Finally, this is not the end of it , as sessions have been planned
>> >> to futher discuss the strategy in Totonto, .and also online.
>> >>
>> >> So, what is requested NOW is that we go through the posted documents,
>> >> concentrate on the strategic Objectives, propose your owm priority
>> >> list and provide further comments and recommendations if any, to help
>> >> cover all Africans' needs in the ICANN Africa Strategy for coming
>> >> three years..
>> >>
>> >> I hope this clarifies..
>> >> Regards
>> >> Pierre
>> >>
>> >> --
>> > On Sep 14, 2012, at 21:13, Dr Yassin Mshana <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oga Nii,
>> >>
>> >> It is pleasing to see that - I am being invited ;-) to share opinions
>> that would be of benefit to us. I am afraid I do not need to be invited
>> since I will always do my bets for Africa and never expected a recognition.
>> >>
>> >> I respectively asked a 2 questions and no credible answers - the
>> answers to those two questions might be the foundation to build on i.e. How
>> to get Africans engaged/involved in everything done for Africa? A big
>> mistake was done by not inviting Africans in forming the Group - it is just
>> a matter of principle and respect - that is why I will keep asking asking
>> "Why the Rush". In addition, it would be a gesture of good will if the
>> 'Group' had called for nominations for the African Strategy W/Group - to be
>> more rhetoric, maybe the name would have been changed to a "Team" instead
>> of a "Group"
>> >>
>> >> Ownership of this important process by all Africans is as important as
>> the work being done. Where has African natural Diplomacy gone?
>> >>
>> >> Let us be strategic in the approach to this Strategy - there should be
>> no grumbles or boasting by anyone. I would like things to be done with
>> concurrence and by a 'Team' not a 'Group'. We have to consider 'emotional'
>> intelligence not only 'intellectual' intelligence and skills....
>> >>
>> >> Have a nice weekend everyone.
>> >>
>> >> Yassin
>> >>
>> >> On 14 September 2012 01:12, Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Dr Yassin,
>> >>
>> >> Good now we have put something we can work with and I'll like you to
>> send that as input to the icann-aswg for some folk to explore
>> >>
>> >> Note however ICT is larger and could go too far. I am aware however
>> some are looking at IGF and country/subregional /regional IGF alignment
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Nii
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sep 14, 2012, at 0:50, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Just a small advice: why dont the Group start with collecting
>> Strategies from African countries - just to begin with then build from
>> there?
>> >>> Or maybe ICT Policies if there are not enough country strategies...
>> >>>
>> >>> Then talk about African Strategy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just a thought..
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind regards
>> >>> Yassin
>> >>>
>> >>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr Yassin,
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh oh....Sorry if you can't speed read :(
>> >>>
>> >>> Those who can read will do so in the next 15 days and give their
>> frank inputs
>> >>>
>> >>> You have a chance to get your voice heard now but you say you need
>> time read/think/analyze and 15 days is not enough?
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope you can at least read the schedule at the site and determine
>> that there is in fact no rush; this is normal work schedule, IMHO and I am
>> African
>> >>>
>> >>> Africans were asked for input and ASWG will make sure adequate
>> professional quality input is given to improve Africa in ICANN
>> >>>
>> >>> [once again be careful as the documents and list are both public so
>> people can tell if one is with it ]
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. Yassin, come on, just read the stuff starting with the African
>> ecosystem and you'll be grateful; very insightful
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards
>> >>> Nii (chair,ASWG)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 22:48, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Well.....
>> >>>> What is the hurry then? It takes time to read , analyse and Think
>> of Strategies thoroughly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How many strategies have failed due to rushing??
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Where is the pressure to rush this Strategy coming from? OR is there
>> a promise that something will be done for Africa for free?? Nothing is Free
>> so that guess is out.
>> >>>> Please , please, let us not rush - save the energy now.
>> >>>> I have nothing to add apart from refusing to be rushed especially
>> when fundamental things were not done properly such as to bring all
>> Africans to the table through consultations- one should not ignore peoples
>> voice however clever an idea can be. People have to accept it. Democrazy?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yassin
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dr. Yassin,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The place to send comments is icann-aswg at afrinic.net
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regarding your post here however note these.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The list of issues are only in the SWOTs
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The strategic objectives are clearly stated there alongside ICANN's
>> own strategic objectives. Did you miss them, I know there is a lot of stuff
>> there;-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So if you did not see them go read again as there is no 'half cooked
>> content' there. Infact they tell you which ICANN strategic objective
>> resulted in which African strategy, what are related projects and what
>> measures
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [be careful as the documents are on a public site so everyone can
>> confirm what you have missed]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps you need to take your time and study them carefully and not
>> be so quick
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your contribution as an African in the community is to apply your
>> 'powerful thinking' and weight in on the priorities on the objectives
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Which objectives are your priority?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you can't answer this specifically then you need to put a little
>> more effort
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Its better we focus and get the hard job done; if more time is
>> needed it will be ICANN's decision thereafter. In the meantime please lets
>> not try to stop people from working for community
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks and regards
>> >>>> Nii (as chairman ASWG)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 17:57, Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Wow...I read what has been published. The content is very good to
>> read but what remains is to extract a Strategies - that needs African
>> Thinking and researching not just a List of issues. That is its half-cooked
>> contentwise. In addition it is half-cooked if Africans claim to disown the
>> ASWG? Ignoring this 4th Dimension of issues is to create a gap.
>> >>>>> Why rush to Toronto now? That is the avoided Question .
>> >>>>> Did Africans demanded for this rush cummulatively?
>> >>>>> Well done!!
>> >>>>> Yassin
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ...and you had studied the documents?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:57, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We are all praying for Africa...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>> >>>>>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>> >>>>>> Web : http://www.antic.cm
>> >>>>>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>> >>>>>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>> >>>>>> De : Nii Narku Quaynor <quaynor at ghana.com>
>> >>>>>> À : Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>; "africann at afrinic.net"
>> <africann at afrinic.net>
>> >>>>>> Envoyé le : Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 9h52
>> >>>>>> Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You are yet to study a set of documents but you are agreeing it is
>> 'half cooked strategy'
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I pray for Africa
>> >>>>>> Nii
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:37, Pierre Lotis NANKEP <lnankep at yahoo.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I fully share the proposal of Yassin.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Pierre Lotis NANKEP
>> >>>>>>> IT Engineer / ANTIC
>> >>>>>>> Web : http://www.antic.cm
>> >>>>>>> Email (Pro) : pierre.nankep at antic.cm
>> >>>>>>> GSM : +237 77 66 10 07
>> >>>>>>> De : Y Mshana2003 <ymshana2003 at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> À : Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com>; Katim S. Touray <
>> kaamt at yahoo.com>; "africann at afrinic.net" <africann at afrinic.net>
>> >>>>>>> Envoyé le : Jeudi 13 septembre 2012 1h49
>> >>>>>>> Objet : Re: [AfrICANN-discuss] A brief update on the ASWG
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dear fellow Africans,
>> >>>>>>> It is unfortunate that a we are soon going built on sand (no
>> foundation) if the African Strategy is going to be discussed in Toronto.
>> >>>>>>> My suggestion made a month ago to stop this rushing and have a
>> round of consultations to Democratically form an acceptable ASW Group was
>> not loud enough to be heard. It is an embarassment to see what is going on.
>> Rushing to Toronto with a half cooked Strategy will only create room for
>> Complications in the implementation of a strategy which was not processed
>> properly. I would suggest this process is stopped and go back to drawing
>> board by initiating a process to for a more inclusive Working Group.
>> >>>>>>> It is not an emergency - it can wait for a few more weeks to
>> consult and form a Working Group instead of 'imporsing' a Group as it
>> appears. Get it right now or spend longer to repair cracks and mistakes.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Kind regards
>> >>>>>>> Yassin Mshana (Always for True Africa!)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> From Yassin . Sent from samsung mobile. On O2.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Lerato <lerato.ma at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dear Katim-
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> In the first place, I think its unfortunate that this very
>> important question has been mingled with the DCA issue.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You refer to "DCA's issue" as an "important question" and at the
>> same time call it "unfortunate". What is unfortunate about an important
>> question you raised that DCA also raised? Is it not DCA that first raised
>> the issue you now call "important "on this list as well as formally in
>> ICANN? or is anything raised by DCA becomes nullified and unacceptable by
>> a certain group, until it rotates and gets legitimacy by another voice
>> outside of DCA? I am a bit perturbed by the choice of language.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If you want positive engagement and contribution from all of us,
>> please let us not continue to deliberately mischaracterize DCA, while at
>> the same time agreeing with the issues it raises.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?
>> >> "The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or
>> >> write but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > 5 Off Spur Road, Wilberforce
>> > Freetown,SIERRA LEONE
>> > Skype: yassinmshana1, Mobile:+23276926697, Fax: (+232) 22235769
>> > Do You really NEED TO PRINT THIS?
>> > "The illiterates of the 21st century are not those who cannot read or
>> > write but those who cannot learn, relearn and unlearn" Alvin Toffler
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