<div dir="ltr">Hello Adiel<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Adiel Akplogan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adiel.akplogan@gmail.com" target="_blank">adiel.akplogan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On Jul 20, 2014, at 02:06 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Thanks for the share. There are a few things i like to mention:<br>
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> - It is not yet clear how our component (numbers) intends to collate comments and present to the ICG. Will it collate from each RIR, compile and represent the single version to all 5 RIRs for further comment? I am saying this because comments/contribution will be dynamic and its absolutely important to understand channel of communication.<br>
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</div>The process as we have designed it now is as followed:<br>
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- Each region run their own Consultation process regionally till end of December 2014<br>
- In January 2015, the NRO (through it PACG: Public Affair coordination Group and Executive Council) will work in consolidating the outcomes.<br>
- The outcome of the consolidation work will be published for comment in February<br>
- The final version of our proposal will be submitted to the ICG by the end of March/April.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This i presume is the timeline to getting a final proposal on numbers. If thats the case, i will like to say a few things:<br></div><div>- Giving just 1 month or 2 to discuss the draft proposal may not be as adequate. Again i am going to refer to the Global policy development process; in that the community do have a draft to work on and that is what is discussed at length before consensus is observed. As far as i am concerned it is when we get such draft proposal that some major discussion will happen on this list. So i think the work of the PACG either needs to come earlier or the submission to ICG needs to be extended. <br>
<br></div><div>- The process you have indicated above also needs to allow for phases of comments and contribution when necessary.<br></div><div><br></div><div>- The process above did not indicate the intermediate consultative process for the different drafts that will be made by the ICG for public comment. An example is the ICG charter which is currently in the draft state, is there a process/timeline inplace on how to how to get this community response and by so formerly responding to ICG as a community.<br>
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As mentioned in my previous mail we may need to slightly adjust this if the ICG timeline stays as is.<br>
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> - I have briefly gone through the statement and draft charter and i have observed the following few issues:<br>
> 1. The statement indicates call for comments/contribution on the draft charter but what is not stated is the comment period<br>
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</div>Yes that was not clearly stated in the document but will be updated. In the mean time please send your comment(s) as you go through the document. We will likely not have a long period to collect comments.<br>
<div class=""><br></div></blockquote><div>Okay i have already sent some in a separate mail but will do more latter, however i think it will be good to know what our own community stand is about the charter and we need a timeline and a draft statement indicating our concerns to be forwarded to the ICG through the numbers representative in the group.<br>
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> 2. The ICG decided to accept the GAC’s request for 3 additional seats, is there any process that will be put in inplace to first get this community feedback on decision making issues as this in future?<br>
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</div>NO. There won’t be a special treatment to any stakeholder group. The GAC members (or government representatives) in the ICG will participate on equal footing with all the other members of the group. That is what we have tried to highlight in the response by saying that all decision of the ICG will be made by rough consensus and that government representative are encourage to express their view and contribute to the process through the multistakeholder process that will be run outside the ICG (by each IANA service customer group)<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well maybe i may have not expressed myself properly. My point here is that ICG made a very critical decision by accepting GAC request [1] while the community was not consulted before making the decision. I think henceforth, its important to emphasis that the ICG is not a decision making body and so should consult with the community on issues like this. So my question is when there are issues that puts the ICG in a position to make decision, whats this community process to becoming part of that decision making. As i hope you will agree that the decision to accept the new GAC members was not necessarily a representative view of the community.<br>
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> 3. From the Charter, there are statement indicating openness of the ICG for contribution but at the same time ICG indicates that contributions will be received from the 3 components. How does the openness of the ICG becomes useful for actual end users since there is no clear communication means for such. Its one thing to be open and its another thing to provide a medium that exhibit openness.<br>
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</div>Well, at each stage of its process the ICG will have a comment/contribution period with a process that will be communicated. For instance there will be a global comment period after all the contributions will be submitted. I need also to clarify something here: Although we are expecting direct proposal from the 3 direct customers of IANA services (Through there respective open process), there will be possibility for anyone that want to submit proposal if the which. It is however the expectation and the suggestion of the ICG (to simplify the process) to have everyone who want to contribute to try to do it through their respective community process.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Can you tell me what list or website exactly is ICG watching for such individual contribution you indicated?<br><br></div><div>Thanks for all the effort.<br><br></div><div>Cheers! <br></div><div>1. I have no personal issue against GAC itself, what i have an issue with is the muscle that has been attached to the ICG<br>
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Hopes these help.<br>
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- a.<br>
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> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Adiel Akplogan <<a href="mailto:adiel@afrinic.net">adiel@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear colleagues,<br>
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> The first IGC meeting ends few hours ago in London with a declaration that is published at: <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-icg-statement-18jul14-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-icg-statement-18jul14-en.pdf</a><br>
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> My first observation is that the spirit of the group was great and people come in the meeting with a very open mind and a desire to successfully coordinate the process. This a good sign for such a diverse group. The group has agreed to accept the GAC’s request to have 5 representatives in the ICG instead of 2 as originally defined. The fives appointed are:<br>
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> Manal Ismail (Egypt)<br>
> Heather Dryden (Canada)<br>
> Kavouss Arasteh (Iran)<br>
> Michael Niebel (European Commission)<br>
> Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos (Brazil)<br>
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> The letter send by the ICG in response to the GAC is available at:<br>
> <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/icg-to-dryden-18jul14-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/icg-to-dryden-18jul14-en.pdf</a><br>
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> The archives of the transcript of the meeting and other related materials are now published at:<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/coordination-group-resources-2014-07-18-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/coordination-group-resources-2014-07-18-en</a><br>
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> Thanks.<br>
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> - a.<br>
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<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br></blockquote></blockquote></font><br></div>
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