[IANAOversight] End of first ICG meeting

Sun Aug 3 10:11:07 SAST 2014

Hello Adiel,

I presume you missed this thread so I am resending for necessary
attention/response

Regards

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 23 Jul 2014 20:24, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Adiel
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Adiel Akplogan <adiel.akplogan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Seun,
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 02:06 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks for the share. There are a few things i like to mention:
>> >
>> > - It is not yet clear how our component (numbers) intends to collate
>> comments and present to the ICG. Will it collate from each RIR, compile and
>> represent the single version to all 5 RIRs for further comment? I am saying
>> this because comments/contribution will be dynamic and its absolutely
>> important to understand channel of communication.
>>
>> The process as we have designed it now is as followed:
>>
>> - Each region run their own Consultation process regionally till end of
>> December 2014
>> - In January 2015, the NRO (through it PACG: Public Affair coordination
>> Group and Executive Council) will work in consolidating the outcomes.
>> - The outcome of the consolidation work will be published for comment in
>> February
>> - The final version of our proposal will be submitted to the ICG by the
>> end of March/April.
>>
>>
> This i presume is the timeline to getting a final proposal on numbers. If
> thats the case, i will like to say a few things:
> - Giving just 1 month or 2 to discuss the draft proposal may not be as
> adequate. Again i am going to refer to the Global policy development
> process; in that the community do have a draft to work on and that is what
> is discussed at length before consensus is observed. As far as i am
> concerned it is when we get such draft proposal that some major discussion
> will happen on this list. So i think the work of the PACG either needs to
> come earlier or the submission to ICG needs to be extended.
>
> - The process you have indicated above also needs to allow for phases of
> comments and contribution when necessary.
>
> - The process above did not indicate the intermediate consultative process
> for the different drafts that will be made by the ICG for public comment.
> An example is the ICG charter which is currently in the draft state, is
> there a process/timeline inplace on how to how to get this community
> response and by so formerly responding to ICG as a community.
>
> As mentioned in my previous mail we may need to slightly adjust this if
>> the ICG timeline stays as is.
>>
>> > - I have briefly gone through the statement and draft charter and i
>> have observed the following few issues:
>> > 1. The statement indicates call for comments/contribution on the draft
>> charter but what is not stated is the comment period
>>
>> Yes that was not clearly stated in the document but will be updated. In
>> the mean time please send your comment(s) as you go through the document.
>> We will likely not have a long period to collect comments.
>>
>> Okay i have already sent some in a separate mail but will do more latter,
> however i think it will be good to know what our own community stand is
> about the charter and we need a timeline and a draft statement indicating
> our concerns to be forwarded to the ICG through the numbers representative
> in the group.
>
>
>> > 2. The ICG decided to accept the GAC’s request for 3 additional seats,
>> is there any process that will be put in inplace to first get this
>> community feedback on decision making issues as this in future?
>>
>> NO. There won’t be a special treatment to any stakeholder group. The GAC
>> members (or government representatives) in the ICG will participate on
>> equal footing with all the other members of the group. That is what we have
>> tried to highlight in the response by saying that all decision of the ICG
>> will be made by rough consensus and that government representative are
>> encourage to express their view and contribute to the process through the
>> multistakeholder process that will be run outside the ICG (by each IANA
>> service customer group)
>>
>
> Well maybe i may have not expressed myself properly. My point here is that
> ICG made a very critical decision by accepting GAC request [1] while the
> community was not consulted before making the decision. I think henceforth,
> its important to emphasis that the ICG is not a decision making body and so
> should consult with the community on issues like this. So my question is
> when there are issues that puts the ICG in a position to make decision,
> whats this community process to becoming part of that decision making. As i
> hope you will agree that the decision to accept the new GAC members was not
> necessarily a representative view of the community.
>
>>
>> > 3. From the Charter, there are statement indicating openness of the ICG
>> for contribution but at the same time ICG indicates that contributions will
>> be received from the 3 components. How does the openness of the ICG becomes
>> useful for actual end users since there is no clear communication means for
>> such. Its one thing to be open and its another thing to provide a medium
>> that exhibit openness.
>>
>> Well, at each stage of its process the ICG will have a
>> comment/contribution period with a process that will be communicated. For
>> instance there will be a global comment period after all the contributions
>> will be submitted. I need also to clarify something here: Although we are
>> expecting direct proposal from the 3 direct customers of IANA services
>> (Through there respective open process), there will be possibility for
>> anyone that want to submit proposal if the which. It is however the
>> expectation and the suggestion of the ICG (to simplify the process) to have
>> everyone who want to contribute to try to do it through their respective
>> community process.
>>
>> Can you tell me what list or website exactly is ICG watching for such
> individual contribution you indicated?
>
> Thanks for all the effort.
>
> Cheers!
> 1. I have no personal issue against GAC itself, what i have an issue with
> is the muscle that has been attached to the ICG
>
> Hopes these help.
>>
>> - a.
>>
>> > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:42 AM, Adiel Akplogan <adiel at afrinic.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear colleagues,
>> >
>> > The first IGC meeting ends few hours ago in London with a declaration
>> that is published at:
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-icg-statement-18jul14-en.pdf
>> >
>> > My first observation is that the spirit of the group was great and
>> people come in the meeting with a very open mind and a desire to
>> successfully coordinate the process. This a good sign for such a diverse
>> group. The group has agreed to accept the GAC’s request to have 5
>> representatives in the ICG instead of 2 as originally defined. The fives
>> appointed are:
>> >
>> > Manal Ismail (Egypt)
>> > Heather Dryden (Canada)
>> > Kavouss Arasteh (Iran)
>> > Michael Niebel (European Commission)
>> > Jandyr Ferreira dos Santos (Brazil)
>> >
>> > The letter send by the ICG in response to the GAC is available at:
>> >
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/icg-to-dryden-18jul14-en.pdf
>> >
>> > The archives of the transcript of the meeting and other related
>> materials are now published at:
>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/coordination-group-resources-2014-07-18-en
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > - a.
>> >
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